3200 stall too much?
Originally Posted by Z 2 8
A 2800 or 3000 seems more for me. But, do you think I can still see a 1.7 60' foot with a 2800? Currently, the car will get a 1.989-2.0.
Of course, it depends on more than just the Torque converter stall but assuming you have decent tires (drag radials or ET streets, etc) and track prep/street conditions, you can get 1.6's all day long. Another aspect is the 'leave' technique. Several friends of mine with Vigilantes or Yanks, foot brake the torque converter up to 1000 rpm and then take off on the last yellow light of the tree. My car never seemed to like that. I would just let the car idle at the 'desired idle' in the PCM of 800 rpm, then stomp the gas on the last yellow. I got 1.6's like clockwork that way and even the odd 1.5 every great now and then. When you take off on the street (even with most drag radials) you have to take off with something in-between stomping the gas and 'somewhat' aggressively pressing down the gas. You'll develop a feel for it. It's something just short of stomping the gas. You want to keep the tires from spinning for just a nanosecond so that the weight of the car transfers onto the back tires, THEN get all the way into it. Practicing your takeoffs (from idle, foot braking to xxxx RPM, etc) will give you a sense of just where the make (hotshot from hell) or break(spinning hopelessly) point will be for your setup.
All performance aspects on a streetable car are a compromise. A 2800 vigilante will give you a nice compromise between acceleration, gas mileage and transmission fluid longevity (a higher stall generates more heat in the fluid. The higher the stall the more pronounced the effect)
All performance aspects on a streetable car are a compromise. A 2800 vigilante will give you a nice compromise between acceleration, gas mileage and transmission fluid longevity (a higher stall generates more heat in the fluid. The higher the stall the more pronounced the effect)
Originally Posted by Matts94Z28
I was cutting 1.8's on street tires with a 2400-2600 stall converter.
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Ok, here is the final word. (I can change this by Monday, because this is when he is ordering it)
The transmission guy said since I have a 700R4 I can only get a 2200 or a 3200 stall. I don't really understand that and please tell me if that makes sense...I think the stock stall is 900, so I'm going with the 2200 stall. I believe it's going to be a vig. Also, he was saying he doesn't think I should change the RR's, but I told him I wanted them changed anyway. So, I will also be getting 1.6rr's. I also told him I wanted a tranny cooler installed. What do you guys think?
Also, any problems I could run into getting 1.6rr's, or are they perfectly fine?
Please let me know if a 2200 stall isn't enough and if I actually can get a different stall and this guy is an idiot....
Also, just so you guys know, the 2200 stall is half the price of the 3200. I just wanted to throw that in.
The transmission guy said since I have a 700R4 I can only get a 2200 or a 3200 stall. I don't really understand that and please tell me if that makes sense...I think the stock stall is 900, so I'm going with the 2200 stall. I believe it's going to be a vig. Also, he was saying he doesn't think I should change the RR's, but I told him I wanted them changed anyway. So, I will also be getting 1.6rr's. I also told him I wanted a tranny cooler installed. What do you guys think?
Also, any problems I could run into getting 1.6rr's, or are they perfectly fine?
Please let me know if a 2200 stall isn't enough and if I actually can get a different stall and this guy is an idiot....
Also, just so you guys know, the 2200 stall is half the price of the 3200. I just wanted to throw that in.
your stock stall is definately not a 900....you idle at 900rpm.
stock is 2200. I think LT1 Vettes ran a 2400 stock. Keep in mind the advertised number on converters is the lock up point. You won't be able to footbrake the car up to advertised stall speed in most cases.
Get the 3200 if thats all that is offered, but i doubt very seriously those are your only two options. Call Vigilante and talk to them, they can set everything straight.
I assume your car is a 93?? Thats the only LT1 cars that came with a 700.
stock is 2200. I think LT1 Vettes ran a 2400 stock. Keep in mind the advertised number on converters is the lock up point. You won't be able to footbrake the car up to advertised stall speed in most cases.
Get the 3200 if thats all that is offered, but i doubt very seriously those are your only two options. Call Vigilante and talk to them, they can set everything straight.
I assume your car is a 93?? Thats the only LT1 cars that came with a 700.
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My car is a 94. They did come with 700R4 transmissions.
So, if I get a 3200, where will i be stalling my car up to before the launch. (a rough estimate)
I really want to port my heads, but I feel I may run into problems. What would be a good port job that won't screw anything up with the car?
I will call vig and figure it out...
So, if I get a 3200, where will i be stalling my car up to before the launch. (a rough estimate)
I really want to port my heads, but I feel I may run into problems. What would be a good port job that won't screw anything up with the car?
I will call vig and figure it out...
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Alright, I found this Edge stall I think I want. It is a true custom stall. I think I will get a 3000 true stall 10' with a 2.4 STR. Can anyone think of any reason why this stall would be bad? I think for street use, this is a good stall for me. Click here to see Edge Street Converter.
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That Edge is a 12". Stock stall in a b-body is 1400 think the f-body was 1600-1800 something like that. A 94 has a 4L60E not a 700R4 similar not the same. Frankly I am losing hope that we can help you, maybe just go ahead and do whatever it is you are going to do and after you learn your lesson we can help you fix it?
Vig tends to stock part numbers, definetely good converters but usually not truely custom like Edge or Yank.
Vig tends to stock part numbers, definetely good converters but usually not truely custom like Edge or Yank.
I have the street fighter from tci in my 4l60e. It was advertised as 3000 rpm stall. I love it. I have a full bolt on 95 t/a. I can cut 1.6 60' every time. Its not bad at all to drive on the street. It seems to work best foot braking it to about 2200. I think you can get them from summit for about 550 bucks.
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It's actually a 10". I talked to the guy on the phone...
I'm worried that a stall is going to break my tranny. Actually, I know it will. So, I figure maybe I should just port match my heads on the exhaust side and get 1.6rr's. This will give me power and I won't have to go through all this trouble of my tranny breaking, or anything breaking for that matter...
I'm worried that a stall is going to break my tranny. Actually, I know it will. So, I figure maybe I should just port match my heads on the exhaust side and get 1.6rr's. This will give me power and I won't have to go through all this trouble of my tranny breaking, or anything breaking for that matter...
Originally Posted by Z 2 8
I'm worried that a stall is going to break my tranny. Actually, I know it will.
Originally Posted by Razor_Blade
Not True! If a stall breaks your trans, it was on it's last leg anyway. The extra slip will cause more heat build up, but a good trans cooler will offset that.
hmm i got a 3600-3700 and its overkill on the street i blow the tires out and gas mileage blows...
i had my 2800 vig restalled to 3700 what a mistake gonna be changing it.. any companys have money back things on converters? maybe i can find my right one
i had my 2800 vig restalled to 3700 what a mistake gonna be changing it.. any companys have money back things on converters? maybe i can find my right one
i don't recall any 94s have a 700r4, but its your car, so if you say so......
but let me ask you...how are you SURE its a 700??
A bigger stall converter will not hurt the tranny if properly installed with matched components like a shift kit and tranny cooler.
the 3000 w/ a 2.4 is a good choice. I had a TCI 3000 SF with a 2.8, and it was a nice verter.
but let me ask you...how are you SURE its a 700??
A bigger stall converter will not hurt the tranny if properly installed with matched components like a shift kit and tranny cooler.
the 3000 w/ a 2.4 is a good choice. I had a TCI 3000 SF with a 2.8, and it was a nice verter.
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Originally Posted by Razor_Blade
Not True! If a stall breaks your trans, it was on it's last leg anyway. The extra slip will cause more heat build up, but a good trans cooler will offset that.
What do you guys think, a port job or stall? Now I'm debating between the two. I see a port job being nice, because it will give me some nice top end. I mean, maybe a 2200 stall and a port job...I'll save half the money with the small stall and use to port the heads...Bad idea?
I just would just to have that up top pull, so I can hang with LS1's. That's what I want more than anything. I know I will dominate off the line with a stall, but I want to beat an LS1 from a roll. It seems like the best way to do that is by porting the heads a bit. Am I just being stupid, or on the right track here...We have f-bodys meets and there is a lot of highway driving.
Porting your heads with a completely stock internal otherwise motor is as pointless as ******* a fat girl to gain confidence in yourself. DO NOT port the heads until you are ready to internal modify your motor. DO THE ******* STALL FOR CHRIST'S SAKES.
and the converter is NOT going to break your tranny!! JESUS! Buy a shift kit, and a GOOD traany cooler to go along with it. Yes, it will build more heat that normal, but nothing that 4L60 can't hanlde.....or 700r4, or what-the-****-ever is in that car.
and the converter is NOT going to break your tranny!! JESUS! Buy a shift kit, and a GOOD traany cooler to go along with it. Yes, it will build more heat that normal, but nothing that 4L60 can't hanlde.....or 700r4, or what-the-****-ever is in that car.
ROTFLMAO!!!
If you want to edge out a STOCK LS1, then just add a LT4 Hotcam kit and the 2800 stall. Be aware though, once the LS1 adds a cam and headers, you'll be watching his tail lights again. Those motors are so stinking responsive. After that, it's just a race of the wallets. Any motor can be modified to beat another but nothing is static. Once you beat the other guy, out comes his wallet and he's ahead of you again. When you get tired of getting beat, out comes your wallet until you beat him again. Repeat until you have a car that is either completely uncivilized or you (or the car) is perpetually broke. 
LT4 HOT Cam kit (Cam, 1.6 rockers, springs/retainers/locks)=$500'ish
Vigilante = $7xx?
Heads = $1,000 plus your heads at a MINIMUM for porting(typically)
Porting the heads but using stock cam? Probably will lose power(less velocity in the ports because of increased cross section)
Originally Posted by The LT1 That Could
Porting your heads with a completely stock internal otherwise motor is as pointless as ******* a fat girl to gain confidence in yourself. DO NOT port the heads until you are ready to internal modify your motor. DO THE ******* STALL FOR CHRIST'S SAKES.
and the converter is NOT going to break your tranny!! JESUS! Buy a shift kit, and a GOOD traany cooler to go along with it. Yes, it will build more heat that normal, but nothing that 4L60 can't hanlde.....or 700r4, or what-the-****-ever is in that car.
and the converter is NOT going to break your tranny!! JESUS! Buy a shift kit, and a GOOD traany cooler to go along with it. Yes, it will build more heat that normal, but nothing that 4L60 can't hanlde.....or 700r4, or what-the-****-ever is in that car.
LT4 HOT Cam kit (Cam, 1.6 rockers, springs/retainers/locks)=$500'ish
Vigilante = $7xx?
Heads = $1,000 plus your heads at a MINIMUM for porting(typically)
Porting the heads but using stock cam? Probably will lose power(less velocity in the ports because of increased cross section)
Last edited by mightyquickz28; Apr 8, 2007 at 08:20 AM. Reason: Additional info added...