3200 stall too much?
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3200 stall too much? I have a 94 Z28 and the timing chain just broke. Well, the motor is out and the mechanic asked me if there was anything else i wanted to do. I asked him what he thought would be best and he mentioned a stall would be a nice gain. I was thinking about going with a cam, but he mentioned how it would eat up gas. Im still debating whether to get my heads ported a bit...So far, i've decided to get 1.6rr and a 3200 stall. Do you guys think a 3200 would be too much for my rear end to handle? Should I maybe go with a 3000? I don't want my rear end to snap. I mean, it is all stock back there with the 3:23 gear.
Also, should I consider getting anything else done? I want to keep the car reliable. I'm not getting charged any extra labor for the stall...
Currently, the car has LT headers, Matching Y-pipe, LT4 KM, 160 stat, and a tune. (I will need to get it re-tuned)
Also, should I consider getting anything else done? I want to keep the car reliable. I'm not getting charged any extra labor for the stall...
Currently, the car has LT headers, Matching Y-pipe, LT4 KM, 160 stat, and a tune. (I will need to get it re-tuned)
As far as gas mileage, the higher stall is going to hurt that a bit too. But, 3200 is a tad high for your mods, in my opinion. I think you'd love a 2800 stall vigilante. I know I do. I have one in my '94 right now and I had both a 2800 and a 3200 at different times in the '96. Do get a higher stall, you'll love it. Just be sure to get one of the major proven brands like Vigilante, Yank, Etc. Don't bother with TCI, B&M. I've used TCI and B&M on other cars. They have a 'race' image but they don't perform like the Vigi's, Yanks, etc.
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High stall converters in true street cars kind of suck....I know most of the people in here are using there F bodies as their toys and not a real daily driver - so I'll get bashed for knocking stall converters...but if this is really your driver car - I would highly suggest not going with a 3200. For me, on a driver 2800 is still to much. 2000 or low 2's is plenty. anything above that is going to drink gas and not fun to drive around town. Yes - would be excellent at track...but what are you going to do with the car ? Big stall converers on stock cams just don't make a whole lot of sense to me....
Get a 6 speed car for mucking around with mods on the street, as for dependability...keep it around a 2500 stall, i will say that a automatic will kill a m6 any day when it comes to consistancy...
i have a 3200 vig in my car now and i wish i went a little higher. But im building it for street/strip car. If you DD yours a 3200 is fine IMO. And i wouldnt worry bout breaking the rearend. If your still on street tires youll just lay mad hole shots instead of hook-n-break.
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Yeah, i was worried about the everyday driving. What do you mean it sucks as a daily driver? What would make it so bad? As far as gas goes, I know it will waste a little, but not as much as a cam. I figured a stall was the best way to go if you wanted to make your A4 faster.
I have BFG drag radials and I plan on going to the track a few times to see what I can run. So, do you think I will have the possibility of breaking the rear end? If so, should I just go with a 2800? I don't think that will hurt the rear end at all...
At the same time, I would like to be able to pull a 1.7 60'. Is that possible with my mods and the 2800 stall?
I have BFG drag radials and I plan on going to the track a few times to see what I can run. So, do you think I will have the possibility of breaking the rear end? If so, should I just go with a 2800? I don't think that will hurt the rear end at all...
At the same time, I would like to be able to pull a 1.7 60'. Is that possible with my mods and the 2800 stall?
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Verdad Gallardo well the sucky part is that the motor has to rev up a lot befor you start moving at every stop sign, which is cool for a saturday night cruiser, but i dont think i would like it everyday. and i wouldnt worry about the rear end at all, unless maybe you put slicks on it or sumthing
The stock 10 bolt is a crapshoot. You never know... My stock 3.42 10 bolt outlasted my stock motor, the 355 that replaced it, the T-56 (second gear completely stripped at the track) , two clutches, 1 pair of BFG drag radials, 3 sets of Nittos, one set of M/T ET streets, dozens of passes on Hoosier 28" drag radials, 3 years of monthly Dry NOS (kit #5115)'spraying out of the hole' passes and 3 years of NX wet shot (best pass on the 10 bolt was 11.1 @ 121mph). The 10 bolt lasted from 11/95 till 4/2003 (MTI's Spring Break shootout) where I ended up 3rd in the 11.00 index class. With an automatic, you are not as hard on the 10 bolt in one sense because the gear teeth are always preloaded once a gear has been selected. But in another sense, it's worse because the torque multiplication of the Torque converter.
If you have a set of drag radials on the car with a 2800 Vigi, you can't imagine how many smiles you're going to have leaving stop lights. While you dart away effortlessly, the car that was beside you is still skating around behind you, desperately seeking traction.
If you have a set of drag radials on the car with a 2800 Vigi, you can't imagine how many smiles you're going to have leaving stop lights. While you dart away effortlessly, the car that was beside you is still skating around behind you, desperately seeking traction.
Originally Posted by LT1Falcon
well the sucky part is that the motor has to rev up a lot befor you start moving at every stop sign, which is cool for a saturday night cruiser, but i dont think i would like it everyday. and i wouldnt worry about the rear end at all, unless maybe you put slicks on it or sumthing
Originally Posted by mightyquickz28
The stock 10 bolt is a crapshoot. You never know... My stock 3.42 10 bolt outlasted my stock motor, the 355 that replaced it, the T-56 (second gear completely stripped at the track) , two clutches, 1 pair of BFG drag radials, 3 sets of Nittos, one set of M/T ET streets, dozens of passes on Hoosier 28" drag radials, 3 years of monthly Dry NOS (kit #5115)'spraying out of the hole' passes and 3 years of NX wet shot (best pass on the 10 bolt was 11.1 @ 121mph). The 10 bolt lasted from 11/95 till 4/2003 (MTI's Spring Break shootout) where I ended up 3rd in the 11.00 index class. With an automatic, you are not as hard on the 10 bolt in one sense because the gear teeth are always preloaded once a gear has been selected. But in another sense, it's worse because the torque multiplication of the Torque converter.
If you have a set of drag radials on the car with a 2800 Vigi, you can't imagine how many smiles you're going to have leaving stop lights. While you dart away effortlessly, the car that was beside you is still skating around behind you, desperately seeking traction.
If you have a set of drag radials on the car with a 2800 Vigi, you can't imagine how many smiles you're going to have leaving stop lights. While you dart away effortlessly, the car that was beside you is still skating around behind you, desperately seeking traction.
Originally Posted by KTM
High stall converters in true street cars kind of suck....I know most of the people in here are using there F bodies as their toys and not a real daily driver - so I'll get bashed for knocking stall converters...but if this is really your driver car - I would highly suggest not going with a 3200. For me, on a driver 2800 is still to much. 2000 or low 2's is plenty. anything above that is going to drink gas and not fun to drive around town. Yes - would be excellent at track...but what are you going to do with the car ? Big stall converers on stock cams just don't make a whole lot of sense to me....
I put a 2800 stall Edge in my Caprice when it was my only car and saw 20K miles plus a year including Wisconsin winters, the wife even drove it in winter and every car she has ever owned was FWD and the current 3.4L 2003 Impala being the most powerful of the cars she owned
. Today with the 3400 Edge it still sees occassional light towing duty and 8-10K a year.A friend's wife had a Caprice before he did and when the tranny went he put a 3300 Edge in with the new tranny she drove it thru one or two Wisconsin winters and when he took it out of her car to put in his she complained, think he is considering getting a 2800 for her.
That said I breifly had a "Level 10" brand 2600 stall and it drove like crap and ran HOT, almost soured me on the whole high stall thing but then I tried an Edge with the tranny rebuild and now consider it one of my best mods, even for a street car.
i have an edge 3200 in my daily driver but its a cammed 355 with ful valvetrain..havent actually got to drive it yet..but i think as long as you stay below 3200 you would prob be ok..3200 may be a lil high for a stock cam..
Well, if you just floor it, then yeah. But the thing is, with judicious use of the throttle, and I speak from years of kills on the street with the vigilante, the motor rev's right to the brink of the max torque right as the weight transfer occurs and plants the tires(Note that I referenced drag radials in the earlier post). With a stock converter, your usually pushing the gas pedal down further, attempting to get some acceleration going but once the tires lose a bit of traction, they rapidly catch up to the throttle position and smoke the tires. At that, the contest is usually lost.
Originally Posted by LT1Falcon
ide think if anybody had traction problems, it would be the guy with the higher stall.
The rear end is going to crap out at some point and time. Question isn't will it break, but rather, WHEN will it break. So do the converter now, while the motor is out, and deal with the 10 bolt of death later on.
Now......What are your plans for the car? Do you plan to cam it or spray it, or anything of that sort, other than bolt-ons? Its really all about what you want from the car. If you plan to mod it more later, do it right the first time and get at least a 3200. That will be a great converter for a modded motor. If you plan to stay closer to stock and just do bolt-ons, go with a 2800 or 3000. Also, you can get a tighter converter for street use and not have to deal with the annoying high revs before getting the car to move.
Now......What are your plans for the car? Do you plan to cam it or spray it, or anything of that sort, other than bolt-ons? Its really all about what you want from the car. If you plan to mod it more later, do it right the first time and get at least a 3200. That will be a great converter for a modded motor. If you plan to stay closer to stock and just do bolt-ons, go with a 2800 or 3000. Also, you can get a tighter converter for street use and not have to deal with the annoying high revs before getting the car to move.
With a 3400 stall and 800rpm idle my car pulls against the brakes harder than my wife's bone stock '03 Impala. How many other ways can we say those of you who think high stalls drive bad are wrong?
When I had the 2800 a passenger actually started telling me how I needed a high stall, when we got to the edge of town I put the hammer down and he was impressed as much by how mellow it was puttering thru downtown as he was the performance when I demanded it.
When I had the 2800 a passenger actually started telling me how I needed a high stall, when we got to the edge of town I put the hammer down and he was impressed as much by how mellow it was puttering thru downtown as he was the performance when I demanded it.