The BBC guys better not laugh too hard, an LSX won the Pump Gas Drags and another LSX won the Most Legit 9 Second Car award this year. ShiznityZ28 put alot of big blocks on trailers the other night.

 

I must admit there is a special place in my heart for Whooping on BBCs

 

yeah...this will be a never ending feud between the two generations...personally i am partial to the LT1 and dont ever plan on changing...watch out ls1's theres a nast 383 lt1 in production...lol

 

Well, a solid roller 396 LT4 should be coming out of my garage very soon. We'll see if that makes any LS1 owners think twice around here.

 

A member on camaroz28 once said. "If you can't do it with an LT1 you can't do it with an LS1 either". I stand by that statement.

 

I just got the Cam stuff for mine all straightened out, Patrick G suggested a nice grind for my setup...it's going to be doing wheel stands..

 

ok, im just a little curious..but how exactley do you build a 396 stroker...oh and BTW i dont mean to thread hijack...

 

4.030" Bore, 3.875" Stroke..your 383 has a 3.75" Stroke, that 1/8" makes a difference there..
Mine is goin to be a 402, 4.000" X 4.000" Bore/Stroke. 408 is that .030 over..

How do you get a 409 LT1.. that is pushin the limit on that Block...

 

in your opinion..which has the better bang for the buck..the 383 or 396??

 

383

 

Definately the 383, the 396 is goin to be real bitchy on the street, it's close to the limits of the LT1 bottom end.

 

someone told me that the 396's would overheat as a DD, if this is true I don't Know

 

We have one we just went to 401 on and it never over heated...the entire 60k miles it was a 396

As a 401 it seem good to

 

I'm of the opinion that there are two problems. One, yes some ls1 owners are overly cocky about what they have and think they will always win just because their cars are newer. However, I don't think LT1 owners should make broad generalizations like "all ls1 owners are ********" either. Such a statement is clearly false and is just as worse as the notion it is ranting against. I think the majority of ls1 owners (at least from what I've read on this site) have a very correct opinion of the lt1. Usually this is along the lines of, it is a good performer although a little slower in stock form and older technology.

Secondly, while it's fine to say that "they can talk all they want until I smoke them with my -insert mods- lt1", I think everyone here should recognize that the vast majority of LT1s out there have not been modded even to the point where they will beat a stock LS1. So if someone like darrensls1 says that he's never lost to an lt1, I don't see any reason why that should be interpreted as a sign of arrogance, when that's clearly what the expected outcome of most lt1 vs ls1 matchups will be IMO if you're just talking about two random cars that met up somewhere and not anyone in particular.

Everyone has their favorite cars and ideas about how their car compares to others. We should support each other both as fbody/GM lovers and domestic car lovers and not attack older/newer engines over trivial misunderstandings.

I don't think there would be nearly as many arguments if both lt1 and ls1 guys would just both recognize that:

1. the ls1 is a better designed motor
2. ls1 cars (in the aggregate) are faster and will remain so
3. individually though, you can build an ls1 or lt1 to be basically equal in performance
4. both are very capable and are able to work well given the right knowledge and skills to build a good setup

 

I do think one of the reasons that the LS1 Cars are a little quicker goes to how the Engine is designed and when the power comes out of it. The LT1's get Torque to the ground a hell of alot quicker, that can lead to spinning if you don't expect it, or are un-experienced. The LS1 brings it out at a little higher RPM's, and we all have seen how this works for them. I think the contributing factor there is the Heads, 23* vs 18*, and the LS1's flow alot more..
I just got a Custom Cam for my setup, and I guess one of the difficult things with the Heads that I went with is the amount of air that they flow, they require a Cam that you think wouldn't fit them..it's close to a Blower Cam. They just flow that much air.. new technology at it's finest.

 

I can think of two things off the top of my head that contradict that statement.

10.86 @ 122 with just bolt-ons and 6.86 @ 205 with everything they can think of. And that's just off the top of my head.

I understand that may come off as cocky or arrogant but you gotta be realistic. The LS1 motor replaced the LT1 motor for a reason. Stand by the statement if you wish but it won't make it true.

The LT1 is a great platform. I used to drive a 95 Z28 and other then the optispark I have nothing but fond memories of that car. It was fun, it was quick and it sounded mean as hell

But as great as the LT1 platform is it's not the best platform for stock performance, bolt-on performance, ect. But then again, neither is the LS1. I am sort of partial to the Terminators and LS7 Vettes as far as that goes.

But I won't buy a Ford and I can not afford a new Z06 so I'll have to make due with what I have. Just like you, I am proud of what I have. But proud as I may be, I still understand my platforms limitations as well as the the potential of other vehicles I may line up with.

 

From my experience owning both vehicles lt1 and ls1 with the exact same rear, driveshaft, and suspension (swapped from one into the other) i notice more power down low then my lt1 with the ls1. It just has more power whenever per rpm with the 4.11's. Just from my experience with both cars and I owned both at the same time and eventually sold my lt1. The ls1 wants to wheelspin so much worse out of the hole then the lt1 ever did. Not to say i didn't love the power out of the lt1 but the ls1 is just more. I can't say which appearance i liked better either from one to the other, but i did swap the rear tail lights to my ls1 because i hate the amber lights.

 

Very well said. Best post so far on this thread

 

i have an ls1 and as much as i love it i love LT1s too. When I was looking for a new car
I test drove a 97 30th anniversary edition camaro. that thing had *****, the reason i went with the ls1 is because the lt1 wasnt in good shape at all. Thats besides the point. I really dont see the big deal in the difference of the engines like seriously not everyone can afford a newer camaro or t/a. Plus I love F-Bodies no matter what they got in em..

 

I've driven both, and I like both. The LS1 is just plain faster stock for stock. I wouldn't mind picking up a 6-speed LT1 as a daily driver though