LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

knock retard help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 3, 2007 | 05:17 PM
  #21  
dhdenney's Avatar
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,433
Likes: 0
From: Monticello, Kentucky
Default

Yes but there's a difference in a rod knocking and spark knock.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 01:02 AM
  #22  
blue94's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
From: Springfield/St. Charles, MO
Default

the car just rolled over 110k miles, so I would not think it should be getting any real knock...I've been driving around with the tank of 104 octane boost and 93 and sometimes I'm getting lots of knock, sometimes i'm getting none...I'll do a WOT run and get no retard and than sometimes I'll do a WOT run and get as much as 10 degrees of knock retard.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:04 AM
  #23  
infinitebird's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,280
Likes: 51
From: Denver, CO
Default

As others have said, "octane boost" is completely useless. If you want to get a reading with 104 octane you need some real 104 octane fuel.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:08 AM
  #24  
infinitebird's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,280
Likes: 51
From: Denver, CO
Default

Originally Posted by dhdenney
Yes but there's a difference in a rod knocking and spark knock.
Yeah, I meant spark knock. Plently of things can give you real (spark) knock on older cars. Worn out ignition coil, plugs, wires, opti, fuel problems etc.

I had a relatively high mile lt1 that had this. I replaced all the ignition components but it was still there, so I pulled a little timing and it went away.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:25 PM
  #25  
dhdenney's Avatar
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,433
Likes: 0
From: Monticello, Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by infinitebird
Yeah, I meant spark knock. Plently of things can give you real (spark) knock on older cars. Worn out ignition coil, plugs, wires, opti, fuel problems etc.

I had a relatively high mile lt1 that had this. I replaced all the ignition components but it was still there, so I pulled a little timing and it went away.
I would think that if he's getting that much knock count that a worn ignition component would have a miss in it. Of course we don't know cuz we're not driving the car but just seems like it would have a noticeable miss. Unless the gas is really crappy where he lives, I would almost certainly say it's false knock. Something I would try is a thicker motor oil. Since it's got a few miles on it, perhaps the valvetrain has a tad bit of slop in it. I have noticed some noisy rockers in higher mileage motors running 10w30. Just my opinion.
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 06:37 PM
  #26  
blue94's Avatar
Thread Starter
Launching!
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
From: Springfield/St. Charles, MO
Default

Originally Posted by dhdenney
I would think that if he's getting that much knock count that a worn ignition component would have a miss in it. Of course we don't know cuz we're not driving the car but just seems like it would have a noticeable miss. Unless the gas is really crappy where he lives, I would almost certainly say it's false knock. Something I would try is a thicker motor oil. Since it's got a few miles on it, perhaps the valvetrain has a tad bit of slop in it. I have noticed some noisy rockers in higher mileage motors running 10w30. Just my opinion.
I already run 10w40, but the car is due for an oil change. The opti was changed less than 2 years ago for a brand new ac delco. Msd wires are about a year old, and ngk plugs are about a year old. I have had an ongoing ignition arcing problem, that I have never been able to figure out, so that might be part of it also. The only thing not changed in the ignition is the coil. I can see arcing off of the coil wire and the plug closest to the firewall on the drivers side. could that be causing the knock and if so could the coil be causing the arcing? It is still on the stock 110k mile fuel pump also, so maybe that needs to be changed?
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2007 | 10:07 PM
  #27  
dhdenney's Avatar
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,433
Likes: 0
From: Monticello, Kentucky
Default

I would check the fuel pressure before I changed the pump and probably change the filter before I even checked the pressure. I would sort the arcing problem out too and then look at knock. If you have a spark related issue, fix what's spark related.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:01 PM.

story-0
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-1
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-3
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-6
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-7
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-8
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE