View Poll Results: What would you like in LT1 Stainless headers and Y
Race Style Headers
104
79.39%
Emission Style Headers
31
23.66%
Catted Y
19
14.50%
ORY
57
43.51%
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LT1 Stainless headers poll
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Side question. Why does everyone like the leak prone 3bolt flange set up. Slip if is much better and V-Bands are even better yet. V-bands are so much better to remove at the track.
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I'd take an offroad set. I just got back into an LT1 and realized how much I hate all the extra plumbing after installing my electric water pump, especially since I have a CA emissions car...
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I have ceramic coated Pacesetter LT's with a Stainless TSP x-pipe setup. First time I tried to seperate that slip fit x-setup from the headers (after it was on for probably year and 1/2 to 2 years) it was a huge PITA. They were like glued together and I mean, we had the entire setup on the ground away from the car! PULLING and Twisting that thing didn't want to come apart. So, I think about a 3-bolt flange and it just sounds/seems like it would come off so much easier.
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We will probably be going with the slip fit. If you buy good band clamps Summit has some really nice ones you can slide the Y on and off with out any problems and they don't leak. I've had my own Y on and off dozens of time with no problems. All I have to do is loosen the two bolts a little bit and it slides right off.
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so youll be going with slip fit.. any idea when?
and how would the heat retention in these compare to coated steel? everyone ive talked to has said either that theyll be about as good, or that they wont hold a candle to coated, and living in AZ with uncoated LTs is not what i wanna do unless stainless steel can keep a fair amount of it in (which ive heard it can.. but again, id like to know fo sho)
and how would the heat retention in these compare to coated steel? everyone ive talked to has said either that theyll be about as good, or that they wont hold a candle to coated, and living in AZ with uncoated LTs is not what i wanna do unless stainless steel can keep a fair amount of it in (which ive heard it can.. but again, id like to know fo sho)
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Originally Posted by Irish350
and how would the heat retention in these compare to coated steel? everyone ive talked to has said either that theyll be about as good, or that they wont hold a candle to coated, and living in AZ with uncoated LTs is not what i wanna do unless stainless steel can keep a fair amount of it in (which ive heard it can.. but again, id like to know fo sho)
You may have heard Smokey Yunick talk about maintaining high exhaust velocity and increase scavenging by covering headers with a thermal wrap. In addition, there are companies that coat headers with a thermal barrier, typically some type of ceramic formula, in order to keep the heat inside the exhaust system. Stainless steel performs this function without the need for add-ons because it has a much lower coefficient of thermal conductivity, thereby keeping more heat inside and transmitting it to the header outlet. Radiated heat is perhaps the most important reason to wrap or ceramic coat the headers to protect the car and the driver from excessive, fatiguing high temperatures.
Typical 1010 carbon (mild) steel conducts 219% more heat per foot than do the types of stainless steel we use in header fabrication. By contrast, quite a bit more heat stays inside the stainless header tubes and does not get passed into the surrounding air. By not allowing the contraction of the cooling gases as they flow down the tubes, more exhaust velocity is retained which promotes better scavenging at the collector. This retention of velocity increases the overall header efficiency.
You've probably seen Indy cars with their enclosed engine compartments and thermal clam-shell enclosures around their turbocharger headers. They must thermally wrap their exhaust pipes just so the radiant heat off the tubes won't cause fires or melt any critical systems. In this case headers made out of mild steel would completely fail and break apart due to the severe heat retention, let alone scale and send death particles into the turbocharger, ruining the turbine blades. 321 stainless steel has excellent high temperature fatigue resistance in this enclosed application and does a darn good job of living in this hostile environment better than any other material except the ultra-high nickel content steels ( such an Inconel ), which are hard to find, very difficult to work with and extremely expensive.
Typical 1010 carbon (mild) steel conducts 219% more heat per foot than do the types of stainless steel we use in header fabrication. By contrast, quite a bit more heat stays inside the stainless header tubes and does not get passed into the surrounding air. By not allowing the contraction of the cooling gases as they flow down the tubes, more exhaust velocity is retained which promotes better scavenging at the collector. This retention of velocity increases the overall header efficiency.
You've probably seen Indy cars with their enclosed engine compartments and thermal clam-shell enclosures around their turbocharger headers. They must thermally wrap their exhaust pipes just so the radiant heat off the tubes won't cause fires or melt any critical systems. In this case headers made out of mild steel would completely fail and break apart due to the severe heat retention, let alone scale and send death particles into the turbocharger, ruining the turbine blades. 321 stainless steel has excellent high temperature fatigue resistance in this enclosed application and does a darn good job of living in this hostile environment better than any other material except the ultra-high nickel content steels ( such an Inconel ), which are hard to find, very difficult to work with and extremely expensive.
^^^That link also includes a chart at the bottom that outlines all the physical properties of different types of metal. As you'll see, the coefficient of thermal conductivity in 321 stainless is about 1/3 that of mild carbon steel.
Hope that answers your question.