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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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Yeah......I have a cc503.....but it will hit peak power way before 6500rpm with the 383......I am thinking getting a 306 or similiar would be better...
Neither the 305 or 306 are a good choice for a 383.

Go with something larger or custom.
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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is the 847 large enough?

seeing as its a dd I dont want something to bad....is something in the 24x/24x top much for a dd 383 with a 3000 stall and stock heads for now?
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by thebufenator
is the 847 large enough?

seeing as its a dd I dont want something to bad....is something in the 24x/24x top much for a dd 383 with a 3000 stall and stock heads for now?
I wouldn't say so. Don't forget to check your compression. Your DCR will change depending on the cam you choose. Google DCR and DCR calculator to read about what I mean. You want the DCR about 8-8.5.
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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stock head engine, simply put...GM847 is too big, now thats not to say people dont do it since obviously people do an love it. Yes its going to make more power then a smaller cam'd car but the torque curve on the smaller cam'd car will make up the difference. I think your looking a bit in the wrong direction if you're wanting to stay stock heads, need to look a bit smaller. I went custom grind, i asked for the biggest cam they would recommend for a stock head car and this is from a very well known and experienced company in LT1 cylinder head design and performance, Advanced Induction. If you're planning on something quick and budget in the mean time before something else i would recommend the Hot Cam kit, its a great kit, puts down great numbers for its size, very affordable since its everything needed for the swap, and awesome for a car thats daily driven. But again, the GM847 is just too big
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 11:37 PM
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I already have a cc503 sitting on a shelf.......

I just dont think that will; go well with a 383 and stock heads.
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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I love my XFI 230/236 but yeah ummm...that cam in a 383.....not sure on that
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by thebufenator
is the 847 large enough?

seeing as its a dd I dont want something to bad....is something in the 24x/24x top much for a dd 383 with a 3000 stall and stock heads for now?
oh, didn't know it was stock heads. Disregard what I said then. In that case the cam choice is pretty irrelevant since it's not going to do much no matter what you put in it, but I wouldn't go too big until you get the heads done.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 01:43 AM
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I liked this cam in my LT4

Crane Grind 1093651 some call it the "848"
.595/.595 240/244 110lsa

I almost miss my LTX cars

Wow, never heard of the "848" AKA crane grind 1093651. Sounds like it would be real nasty. How would the "848" with LE3 heads compare to the LE3 cam LE3 heads
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Originally Posted by 96silverram
Wow, never heard of the "848" AKA crane grind 1093651. Sounds like it would be real nasty. How would the "848" with LE3 heads compare to the LE3 cam LE3 heads
you bad man......you very bad man
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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damn, id like to hear a sounbd clip of the 848 cam. That must sounds NASTY on open headers!!!
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 01:32 AM
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i can't find that grind from crane, it wasn't even on their website...
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 04:37 AM
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my car made peak hp at 6800 rpms w/ gm-847 cam now that was all the higher we reved it to, but im sure it would have made more power the higher we took it.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenBlood
i can't find that grind from crane, it wasn't even on their website...
That may not be a current grind, it was a long time ago when I ran that. The info is straight from the cam card.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by VIPRETR2
That may not be a current grind, it was a long time ago when I ran that. The info is straight from the cam card.
would comp custom grind something like that for me despite getting the numbers from another company?
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenBlood
would comp custom grind something like that for me despite getting the numbers from another company?
They might, but I'm not sure if they'll let you design your own lobes or not. It would be easier to choose lobes from their catalog. You can also try Lunati, Crane or Cam Motion.
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Originally Posted by zlover129
stock head engine, simply put...GM847 is too big, now thats not to say people dont do it since obviously people do an love it. Yes its going to make more power then a smaller cam'd car but the torque curve on the smaller cam'd car will make up the difference. I think your looking a bit in the wrong direction if you're wanting to stay stock heads, need to look a bit smaller. I went custom grind, i asked for the biggest cam they would recommend for a stock head car and this is from a very well known and experienced company in LT1 cylinder head design and performance, Advanced Induction. If you're planning on something quick and budget in the mean time before something else i would recommend the Hot Cam kit, its a great kit, puts down great numbers for its size, very affordable since its everything needed for the swap, and awesome for a car thats daily driven. But again, the GM847 is just too big
So how much power are you making with that custom grind cam? Any track times?
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jditlfm
So how much power are you making with that custom grind cam? Any track times?
To be honest, i really wish i knew. I only got one decent 1/8th mile run in and with a 2.01 60' (i'm really a puss about launching with my 10bolt) i ran a 8.31 at 85mph, this too was with a shitty mail order tune. Well i went to finally get the car dyno tuned and the tuner fried my computer. I haven't had a chance to make it back since his shop is about 2 hours away and well honestly i dont want to do it again since loosing your computer 2 hours away from home with someone who isnt really willing to help you out all that much isn't that great of an experience. At this point in time, with the tune i have on it i'm guessing that i'm making about 315RWHP, i race my friend in his Hot Cam T/A with a full dyno tune and we can never pull from each other, and our cars are almost identical to each other. I know there is a lot to be gained from my tune and i really just can't wait until i can get the chance to make it back up for an all out dyno tune and really see what my car is capable of. As far as track times...they will continue to suck since i have a 10 bolt so it wont make it there often. In the end i would like to see close to 350RWHP on a cam only car that is very very streetable, but less then that won't really bother me, Lt1's aren't known for high dyno numbers but they run like champs though when done right.
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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Also that 8.31 at 85 was with 1.52 roller tip rockers and they were adjusted way too tight, one eventually jumped the valve and bent the guide plate all to hell, i went back and put in some 918's, full roller 1.6 rockers and i felt a good power difference from that as well. Unfortunately this is all speculation so eventually i'll get solid numbers to go by
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Stock heads will choke the hell out of an 847 or 306. Not to say it wont dyno nice numbers, but it wont e/t faster then a 503 or "baby" custom grind. The curve of the smaller cam with the right combo more then makes up for it at that track.

That isnt even considering the fact that you do not want to spin a stock block up to where those cams want to be.
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