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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:02 PM
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is there any real benefit to using either type (weld-in or bolt-on)? i notice that most weld-ins are a good bit cheaper, but the bolt-ons i could install myself. also i would think that the integrity would be stronger with weld-in because they literally become fused with the body. what do you guys think? thanks.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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I have custom made chromemoly weld-ins that are only 10# total...

My goal with SFC's were to have the a good deal of strength and low weight, and this was the best way to accomplish that goal...

It all depends on what you are going to do with the car...
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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how much did those cost?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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fab and installed price was about the same as getting a MS off the shelf set...
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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cool, where would i go to have those made?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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I had them done in a performance fab shop in Maryland, but is was well worth trailering the car a few hours down there for it...

I don't think they are a sponsor here thought so I can't post the name in an open forum...
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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hmm... it's definitely something to look into. i'll see what i can find around my area. so they were the same price for a lighter weight? how much do off-the-shelf sub-frames weigh?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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If I remmeber when I was doing research a few years back.

MS - averaged about 20-25#...
CM - averaged about 15-20#...

more for the X brace types...


*** EDIT ***

I just looked at a few and it looks like the weights have come down, spohn is now 17.5 for MS and 13 for CM...

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weld in for sure
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buy bolt in and then have them welded. at least then you can enjoy them and not have to look around for a shop right of way to install them
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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sorry if it's a stupid question, but just to clarify CM=chromoly and MS="something" steel?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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MS = Mild Steel

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buy bolt in and then have them welded. at least then you can enjoy them and not have to look around for a shop right of way to install them

+2 that is what I did.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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I had them done in a performance fab shop in Maryland, but is was well worth trailering the car a few hours down there for it...

I don't think they are a sponsor here thought so I can't post the name in an open forum...

I found out that Tyson is a Sponsor here now so here is the info on who made mine...

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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I just installed some bolt-ins onto my car and plan on having them welded at a later date. Bolting them on gives you 100% confidence they are exactly where they need to be. And unless under the car of a high HP motor, I wouldn't imagine the bolt holes stretching unless it's over an extended period of time..
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Get weld-on SFCs. A muffler shop can put them in for you. And you can't put them in wrong.
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Weld 4 Sure.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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buy the cheaper weld-ons and take them to a muffler shop
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If u put a cage in ur car do u still need sfc???
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YES subframes should always be installed..
especially if a roll bar or cage is installed you should have support along the rails and connecting the front to the rear..
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