Sleeper Cam
Sleeper Cam Anyone running a mild street cam that's a sleeper? Kinda like the Crane 104227. I would like to change mine out in the near future and want something not to choppy and has good low end performance. Sound side of it I could really care less..
Crane 227, LPE 211/219, Speed Inc. Cadillac Cam are a couple that come to mind. The Caddy Cam hasn't been around long or used much at all and hasn't yet really proven itself but the other two have and have real nice low end torque and power and are pretty nice sleepers. Any one of those three would probaly be kinda what your looking for. If I were to get one of thsoe three I'd personally go with the 227, I've heard alot of good over the years from that cam.
Crane 227, LPE 211/219, Speed Inc. Cadillac Cam are a couple that come to mind. The Caddy Cam hasn't been around long or used much at all and hasn't yet really proven itself but the other two have and have real nice low end torque and power and are pretty nice sleepers. Any one of those three would probaly be kinda what your looking for. If I were to get one of thsoe three I'd personally go with the 227, I've heard alot of good over the years from that cam.
Yea the Crane is great for stock heads. Our exhaust ports are pretty restrictive relative to our intake ports and the wide split in duration (210/224) helps balance that out. Alot of B-Bodies guys run that cam because it exhibits a load of torque in the lower rpm's and its considered an RV grind because of that and how it really helps them launch those boats off the line.
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Verdad Gallardo Yes, its actually made of billet steel instead of cast core like cams such as the cc503 I have hence why its more costly than say a comp cams off-the shelf cam. My Ai custom grind is billet steel as well. The advantage is that this typically translates into improved reliability, I am sure there are more advantages but I personally am unaware of them. I have never personally ran the 227 but based off of its reputation I wouldn't hesistate to run it. I have never heard one bad thing about it.
Yes, its actually made of billet steel instead of cast core like cams such as the cc503 I have hence why its more costly than say a comp cams off-the shelf cam. My Ai custom grind is billet steel as well. The advantage is that this typically translates into improved reliability, I am sure there are more advantages but I personally am unaware of them. I have never personally ran the 227 but based off of its reputation I wouldn't hesistate to run it. I have never heard one bad thing about it.
let me just say i had the 227 and it sounded far from stock. could have been the headers and the flowmaster. but it definitely didn't sound like a sleeper. i sold it to asandman shoot him a pm.
Here's an idle vid of ported heads with the 227:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyDSsWP--I
If the idle was pretty low Im sure it would have the potential to be more noticible but sounds pretty damn sleeper in that vid and others I have watched. Most people will have no idea that its cammed, I even tricked ignorant people in the past with my cc503.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyDSsWP--I
If the idle was pretty low Im sure it would have the potential to be more noticible but sounds pretty damn sleeper in that vid and others I have watched. Most people will have no idea that its cammed, I even tricked ignorant people in the past with my cc503.
Last edited by StealthFormula; Apr 22, 2008 at 11:25 AM.
maybe a dumb question here, but with the hotcam and what not, i keep hearing the cam guys say that its old technology and other cams can do better for you and stuff. it sounds like the 227 has been around for a while, so couldn't there be a better alternative? or is that still the "king of sleepers"?
Yup! x2^ Just cause it's old doesn't mean it don't perform. The "hotcam" has been a great quality running cam. I heard a rumor that they stopped making it and now Scoggin Dickey has taken over and are making pretty much the same one but with their name on it?? True?
Here's an idle vid of ported heads with the 227:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyDSsWP--I
If the idle was pretty low Im sure it would have the potential to be more noticible but sounds pretty damn sleeper in that vid and others I have watched. Most people will have no idea that its cammed, I even tricked ignorant people in the past with my cc503.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyDSsWP--I
If the idle was pretty low Im sure it would have the potential to be more noticible but sounds pretty damn sleeper in that vid and others I have watched. Most people will have no idea that its cammed, I even tricked ignorant people in the past with my cc503.
it was definitely fun to drive with the 227 though. i'd recommend it.
i guess i'm confused as to what a sleeper is. that video doesn't sound like a stock car. i would be able to tell it had some mods done if i pulled up along side of it. it doesn't sound cammed though maybe that's why we're calling it a sleeper. mine sounded like that but a little more agressive. i'm gonna blame it on the flowmaster.
it was definitely fun to drive with the 227 though. i'd recommend it.
it was definitely fun to drive with the 227 though. i'd recommend it.
Yes the 227 has been around but the lobe design is pretty good. All of the older stuff will perform no doubt, just some of the newer stuff slightly out performs it thats all. I know of a new alternative to the Crane 227 that I'm sure would perform great but haven't heard results on it yet.
i personally just ordered the cadillac cam from speed inc after waiting two weeks for my LT4 hot cam kit which will be back ordered until at the earliest may 1st! even for the dealers too. and their are a few pretty impressive results for the Cady cam. one guy made 308/318 IIRC without a tune and just the cam 1.6 roller rockers and a cat back exhaust. another guy with a tune and some shorty headers made 325rwhp. thats with everything else stock. that is pretty impressive if you ask me, plus everyone i have talked to has said this cam sounds 100% stock. do a search i think you might change your mind after some reading, as i want stock driveablilty and good numbers this changed my mind from the hot cam kit which was also cheaper.
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Both the Crane 227 and the Lingenfelter 211/219 are EXCELLENT sleeper cams. They aren't the biggest and nastiest, and they do not show the most power on the dyno, but the low end torque they provide will make them run right along with some of the bigger cams down the track. Come to think of it, I believe the cam only LT1 record was set in a car running a Crane 227. Whether or not that record has been broken or not I don't know. Maybe somebody else can clarify the details.