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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 03:09 PM
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Got a good question here that my friend and I always fight over. What do you think is better a Ford 9 inch or Chevy 12 bolt. Just curious too see what others think?
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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9" from what i've seen and read, are generally stronger. Both will hold LOTS of power. You guys are better off just having a cage match to settle the debate.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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A 9" is stronger and easier to work on IMO.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fergymoto
A 9" is stronger and easier to work on IMO.
I agree...I believe a 9 inch eats up a little more power, but the simple fact that gear changes are WAY easier makes it well worth it.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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im all about the 9" too, my friend says that it eats to much power and is too heavy. Im sticking with the 9.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:36 AM
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im all about the 9" too, my friend says that it eats to much power and is too heavy. Im sticking with the 9.

has he ever properly installed gears in a gm 12 or 10 bolt?
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:42 AM
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While the 9" is stronger and easier to work on, the lower pinion output makes for a crappy driveline angle on our cars. The power that most make, a 12 bolt is plenty strong. How often do people change gears? Then there is the whole puttin a ford product in your GM, but thats a whole different arguement.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 04:46 AM
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Put a 12 bolt into a early Chevelle, Nova, Camaro, etc and you can beat the crap out of it, and not hurt anything. Put one into one of our cars with a torque arm, make a couple 4000 to 5000 dragstrip launches, and I can just about guarantee you'll pick up gear noise. If it is a drag only car, you'll never know or care about the gear noise. Drive your car home from the track, and the noise will drive you nuts. I feel the torque arm stresses the 12 bolt housing, causing distortion. We have never seen this happen with the 9 inch housing.

Exotic Performance Plus strongly recommends the Moser nine inch. This rear is even tougher than the Moser 12 bolt, and the horsepower of the late model F Body cars keeps escalating every year, which requires a very strong rear. With the recent introduction of the 6.2L GM aluminum block and the excellent flowing 6.2 litre heads, the horsepower of these cars is going to just keep climbing at a very fast pace.The nine inch will handle the power, plus we prefer the way the torque arm is bolted to the nine inch in the same way the oem rear-end is attached. (This is the only good thing about the stock 10 bolt...) The Moser 12 bolt uses four short bolts to attach the torque arm, and they have a habit of loosening up, even when loc-tite is used. Why the nine inch is stronger than the 12 bolt. The 9-inch has an internal rear-pinion support that also supports the gear end of the pinion to limit gear deflection under high torque loads. This seems to be the major reason why the 9 inch doesn't start whining after high rpm clutch dumps, when the 12 bolt will pick up noise.The 9-inch locates its pinion gear lower on the ring gear to improve tooth contact, than the 12 bolt does.The 9-inch has a 0.125-inch larger ring-gear diameter and internal pinion support than the 12 bolt does. This is not much of a difference, but it is worth noting.

Link to the Moser 9 inch rear that I sell.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com....html?item=145 Bob
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I just got the new strange catalog and I like the looks of the Dana.
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Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
Put a 12 bolt into a early Chevelle, Nova, Camaro, etc and you can beat the crap out of it, and not hurt anything. Put one into one of our cars with a torque arm, make a couple 4000 to 5000 dragstrip launches, and I can just about guarantee you'll pick up gear noise. If it is a drag only car, you'll never know or care about the gear noise. Drive your car home from the track, and the noise will drive you nuts. I feel the torque arm stresses the 12 bolt housing, causing distortion. We have never seen this happen with the 9 inch housing.

Exotic Performance Plus strongly recommends the Moser nine inch. This rear is even tougher than the Moser 12 bolt, and the horsepower of the late model F Body cars keeps escalating every year, which requires a very strong rear. With the recent introduction of the 6.2L GM aluminum block and the excellent flowing 6.2 litre heads, the horsepower of these cars is going to just keep climbing at a very fast pace.The nine inch will handle the power, plus we prefer the way the torque arm is bolted to the nine inch in the same way the oem rear-end is attached. (This is the only good thing about the stock 10 bolt...) The Moser 12 bolt uses four short bolts to attach the torque arm, and they have a habit of loosening up, even when loc-tite is used. Why the nine inch is stronger than the 12 bolt. The 9-inch has an internal rear-pinion support that also supports the gear end of the pinion to limit gear deflection under high torque loads. This seems to be the major reason why the 9 inch doesn't start whining after high rpm clutch dumps, when the 12 bolt will pick up noise.The 9-inch locates its pinion gear lower on the ring gear to improve tooth contact, than the 12 bolt does.The 9-inch has a 0.125-inch larger ring-gear diameter and internal pinion support than the 12 bolt does. This is not much of a difference, but it is worth noting.

Link to the Moser 9 inch rear that I sell.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com....html?item=145 Bob
It is a correct statement that the 12bolt will make noise. I have noise from my Moser 12 bolt. It doesn't bother this oldschooler all that much, a radio would hide the noise for the younger guys I believe. But the 12 is plenty for a moderate powered car for sure, I would however think the 9" would be the better choice for 10 sec and shorter passes.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 3DFORMULA
But the 12 is plenty for a moderate powered car for sure, I would however think the 9" would be the better choice for 10 sec and shorter passes.
Correct, and with todays horsepower escalating every year, a nine inch gives you a lot more options. Bob
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blue94
has he ever properly installed gears in a gm 12 or 10 bolt?
No he pays for it
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