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Old 08-10-2008, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Evaporate
Thanks for the pics. You've mentioned that an FI version will be of significant benefit?
It would be a big difference over the existing manifold. We can really open up the HSR to accommodate the extra air. A little over 300cfm and keeping air velocity.
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Originally Posted by hyperzone
sweet. Is this going to be a wallet-buster intake or do you think you'll have a "standard version" that you'll sell alot of and leave it open for customizing at the added expense?
It will be well below sheet metal intake territory. We were discussing having 3 versions each for B,F and Y bodies. The standard version would be for stock/bolt-on applications. That will be the cheapest of the 3.

The 2nd would be for mild H/C packages,heads that flow under 275cfm. Minor port work and machining would make it some what more expensive.

The 3rd will be for the bigger displacement and F/I.This will be where we hog this intake out for maximum flow. That will be the more expensive option.

Now with each version there will be more options. For example, someone may have LT4 heads, we add material and match them. Someone may want the coolant crossover/thermostat hole removed, pcv provisions, and there will be a few others.

One thing we will definitely need are what heads you have and the flow #s. We want to give the heads all the air they can handle.There's nothing worse than having heads that flow 300cfm and getting an intake manifold that gives them 275.
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nice....i know it is hard to "guess" and im sure these are still early to mid stages...but what can we look for in prices...give or take 100 bucks on each version
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Have you finalized the operating range, and the power gains yet? Does it fall below anywhere the stock LT1 intake that would really make any difference?

Would you be able to keep the processes written down or whatever for each stage of intake so they can be followed to a T if so would we be able to "upgrade" later down the road for a fee?
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have you really flowed this thing out the box? i've been curious about the claims that it flows 275cfm. I have no idea where that figure came from. Its on stealthram.com and thats the only place i've ever seen that has numbers on the HSR. Just want to be sure its really 275cfm. i dont think thats right since the cross section out the box isnt even a 1205 port. i ported mine out to fit AFR's port which is about 1205 sized


FWIW, my hsr and 230 degrees on the intake side of the cam has peaked at 6300 rpms on my 383. your power band will STILL be high. maybe not quite the 6700 rpm screamer on some setups but you dont need to go that high. HSR will support up to 6500 rpms easily on bigger inch setups like 383-396.
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Smogability?
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Originally Posted by 94LT1Bird
nice....i know it is hard to "guess" and im sure these are still early to mid stages...but what can we look for in prices...give or take 100 bucks on each version
The stock/bolt-on version Im thinking $7XX. The other 2 its hard to tell because of the different amount of port work for each one. We could take $40-$60 off if we could get a group purchase from Holley. I dont think that will be a problem though.
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Originally Posted by Bowtie Boy
Have you finalized the operating range, and the power gains yet? Does it fall below anywhere the stock LT1 intake that would really make any difference?

Would you be able to keep the processes written down or whatever for each stage of intake so they can be followed to a T if so would we be able to "upgrade" later down the road for a fee?
Thats what we are in the process of doing now. Making templets off what works. We have one for the "stage 2".

We've been data logging just about everything. Makes it easier on us, it gets rid of the guess work. We are starting with the 'stock/bolt-on' version cause thats the one we are unsure about. We know the HSR will benefit those that require more air flow due to larger heads, cam, or F/I. Stock doesn't require that much more air so we are depending on the longer runners and design of the runners to increase torque and power in the rpm range.
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Originally Posted by Orr89rocz
have you really flowed this thing out the box? i've been curious about the claims that it flows 275cfm. I have no idea where that figure came from. Its on stealthram.com and thats the only place i've ever seen that has numbers on the HSR. Just want to be sure its really 275cfm. i dont think thats right since the cross section out the box isnt even a 1205 port. i ported mine out to fit AFR's port which is about 1205 sized


FWIW, my hsr and 230 degrees on the intake side of the cam has peaked at 6300 rpms on my 383. your power band will STILL be high. maybe not quite the 6700 rpm screamer on some setups but you dont need to go that high. HSR will support up to 6500 rpms easily on bigger inch setups like 383-396.
Yeah, we didnt think so either but the 2 we had flow tested by a guy in our business park pulled on average 277 and 278. Were just saying 275 cause thats what Holley told us and you never know, you may get one thats 265. Now we did open up the runners at the base to match a lt1 gasket. Maybe thats makes up for the couple extra.
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Originally Posted by Marc3.4V6
Smogability?
If you mean for the air tube, emissions, no. Holley did not make this intake for emissions folks, which kind of screws Cali. I figure, just take it off and put on the stocker when emissions time rolls around.
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Not a bad idea, it's not that hard to switch.
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Is there an option to have all the provisions placed to the back of the intake so that all those ugly stock hoses aren't cluttering the engine bay?

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LEt me know when it is ready to test. I have been wanting to do a little testing lately
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very nice looking! maybe i can get one after h/c. what kind of gains can be expected from the stock/bolt-on one?
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Would love to see some numbers from a pure stock lt1 down to stock exhaust manifolds.
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Originally Posted by Evaporate
Is there an option to have all the provisions placed to the back of the intake so that all those ugly stock hoses aren't cluttering the engine bay?

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It would be easier that way. The HSR has provisions for those already in the back.
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Originally Posted by mean_greenZ
very nice looking! maybe i can get one after h/c. what kind of gains can be expected from the stock/bolt-on one?
Dont know. We are wondering ourselves. We know it will gain lots of torque. HPs the question. When we get the intake done, we have somebody to test it for us and I guess we'll just go from there.
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Originally Posted by GGPC
Dont know. We are wondering ourselves. We know it will gain lots of torque. HPs the question. When we get the intake done, we have somebody to test it for us and I guess we'll just go from there.
Would be cool to find a test mule for all 3 stages. At the moment I am interested in the stage 1 intake I cant wait to see numbers! Getting it printed out on those comparable dyno graphs would be awesome to see the difference from stock lt1 and the hsr. Could mail it to Edlebrock after with a tissue enclosed.
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I'm pretty much sold on this thing as a future mod, I'm very excited. Don't think I'm willing to spend more than $500 though.
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I am very eager to see the tq it will produce with a baby cammed 396.

My 10 bolt has survived multiple 11sec NA passes, but I fear with that setup it will be bye-bye 10-bolt!



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