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Old 07-13-2009 | 10:08 PM
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I can shift into second with no problem at all, but as I let the clutch out it wants to pop out of gear sometimes. It happens probably ~10% of the time maybe less. Sometimes not at all, sometimes I take it out without it happening at all.

When it happens the shifter starts to vibrate and pop out or grind a bit if I have my hand on it holding it in gear. If I push the clutch back in and put it back in second it is fine. what kind of problem is this? Is a rebuild in my near future? Where should I have it done?
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:59 AM
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If you haven't checked/backed-out your shifter stops, do that first. Make sure the shifter is not loose, or the shifter cup is not damaged. Otherwise either the shift fork pads are worn/broken, or your synchro keys are broken.

check with the sponsors for rebuild costs if the shifter is ok.
Old 07-14-2009 | 10:12 AM
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As Mike said, check the simple things first and if they are ok, be ready to have the unit rebuilt.
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is this just on the shift assembly in the console itself?

also, is it going to cause huge problems if I wait until winter time to tear this baby apart?
Old 07-14-2009 | 10:52 AM
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Yea check around the Shifter and look for some set screws. The Shifter cup is where the end of the Shifter rests in the Tranny on the Shift Rail, you will have to take the Shifter off to see it.

It depends on how bad it gets..I didn't have a 2nd gear at all in mine, I sheared all the engagement teeth off of it.
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I had the same thing happen to mine in third gear. IMO RPM Transmissions is the best place to have work done. My tranny is there now and they have done work on several of my cars. Since you're already in Indiana you might give them a call.

I've heard people say they are pricey but I pulled my own and they are doing the work cheaper then anyone else I could find. Even the crappy discount shops. This is their specialty. (My Syncros were broke btw)

It's probably not a good idea to drive on it if you don't have to until you figure out whats wrong.
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they look much more expensive than a place like TICK (~1200 for a lvl 2 including shipping)


Btw I drove the car yesterday and had 0 issues and I was downshifting into second regularly to see if it would give me ****.....
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The fork pad wear with heavy use. I suspect your pads are worn and limit your travel into gear. If you shift into 2nd with agood effort, you may last untill winter. If you have stops on your shifter take them off and throw them away. Mis-adjusted stops cause just this type of problem and resultant damage.
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If you properly set the stops then they work very well..they are not necessarily garbage.
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Didn't say garbage. If they are actually set properly they do nothing. As such, I would trash them.
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Actually they function very well if set properly. I guess me and you have a different definition of that..
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Well , perhaps.If set properly , there is an air gap between the stop and the shifter lever when the trans is fully in gear. That means they don't touch. If they don't touch, what is the stop doing?
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Originally Posted by calhoon
Well , perhaps.If set properly , there is an air gap between the stop and the shifter lever when the trans is fully in gear. That means they don't touch. If they don't touch, what is the stop doing?


Under "spirited" driving, it prevents teh shifter from traveling to far foward/backward, and bending/breaking a shift fork or other...
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This is a misnomer. On the T56, the fork bends because of the opposing forces of the shift rail and the synchro, it's not from "over-shifting". The T56 shift rails can't move beyond their intended location before the rails hit the internal stops. Shifter stops should be totally removed on the T56, they help to do nothing and can only cause problems, as Calhoon has said.
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I still believe that the stops do a job, however slightly it may be. How I see it is that it takes stress away from the tranny and places it soley on the shifter. And maybe you are right Mike, but to me it is piece of mind knowing that I am not adding any un-needed stress to the tranny itself by using the stops.
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Damn seems like there is alot of heat over them little things..lol
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Mine is doing the same thing for 4th gear. Guess I've got lots of fun ahead of me too
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Originally Posted by camaro3667
I had the same thing happen to mine in third gear. IMO RPM Transmissions is the best place to have work done. My tranny is there now and they have done work on several of my cars. Since you're already in Indiana you might give them a call.

I've heard people say they are pricey but I pulled my own and they are doing the work cheaper then anyone else I could find. Even the crappy discount shops. This is their specialty. (My Syncros were broke btw)

It's probably not a good idea to drive on it if you don't have to until you figure out whats wrong.
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