T-56 Magnum Vs. TR6060
04-12-2012, 01:29 AM
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Hey mike is it possible to get a comparison pic of viper tr6060 ls1 input shafts if you have any laying around? Trying to figure out length difference...
And if you want to add any words of wisdom to this post please fell free...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210039
And if you want to add any words of wisdom to this post please fell free...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210039
03-20-2013, 09:44 PM
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?? Hey guys,
quick question here:
we have the following used transmission in our LS2 powered car atm (used for drift racing):
'99 F-body (Hurst) 1386-000-020 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .74 .50 2.90
seems to be a Borg-Warner T56.
We do now have the problem of third gear popping out AND we are in Germany, so availability of parts and alternative transmissions is quite limited. On top we are all new to the LS engines and transmissions.
The engine is pretty much stock exept for some hooker headers and ecu reprogramming by Jesse Bubb from wait4meperformance.
We can now get our hands on this transmission for a, well let's say decent price: http://www.ebay.de/itm/TREMEC-T56-MA...item5aef196130
From what we found out so far, this would not fit our setup without any changes!?
Can you guys give us some advice what to do? Change parts on the magnum to make it fit our setup (which parts would that be)
Or
Have the T56 Borg-Warner rebuild/fixed (What parts should we go for)
Thanks in advance and sorry if questions are a bit stupid - we're new to all this
quick question here:
we have the following used transmission in our LS2 powered car atm (used for drift racing):
'99 F-body (Hurst) 1386-000-020 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .74 .50 2.90
seems to be a Borg-Warner T56.
We do now have the problem of third gear popping out AND we are in Germany, so availability of parts and alternative transmissions is quite limited. On top we are all new to the LS engines and transmissions.
The engine is pretty much stock exept for some hooker headers and ecu reprogramming by Jesse Bubb from wait4meperformance.
We can now get our hands on this transmission for a, well let's say decent price: http://www.ebay.de/itm/TREMEC-T56-MA...item5aef196130
From what we found out so far, this would not fit our setup without any changes!?
Can you guys give us some advice what to do? Change parts on the magnum to make it fit our setup (which parts would that be)
Or
Have the T56 Borg-Warner rebuild/fixed (What parts should we go for)
Thanks in advance and sorry if questions are a bit stupid - we're new to all this
06-16-2013, 06:41 PM
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Hey guys,
quick question here:
we have the following used transmission in our LS2 powered car atm (used for drift racing):
'99 F-body (Hurst) 1386-000-020 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .74 .50 2.90
seems to be a Borg-Warner T56.
We do now have the problem of third gear popping out AND we are in Germany, so availability of parts and alternative transmissions is quite limited. On top we are all new to the LS engines and transmissions.
The engine is pretty much stock exept for some hooker headers and ecu reprogramming by Jesse Bubb from wait4meperformance.
We can now get our hands on this transmission for a, well let's say decent price: http://www.ebay.de/itm/TREMEC-T56-MA...item5aef196130
From what we found out so far, this would not fit our setup without any changes!?
Can you guys give us some advice what to do? Change parts on the magnum to make it fit our setup (which parts would that be)
Or
Have the T56 Borg-Warner rebuild/fixed (What parts should we go for)
Thanks in advance and sorry if questions are a bit stupid - we're new to all this
quick question here:
we have the following used transmission in our LS2 powered car atm (used for drift racing):
'99 F-body (Hurst) 1386-000-020 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .74 .50 2.90
seems to be a Borg-Warner T56.
We do now have the problem of third gear popping out AND we are in Germany, so availability of parts and alternative transmissions is quite limited. On top we are all new to the LS engines and transmissions.
The engine is pretty much stock exept for some hooker headers and ecu reprogramming by Jesse Bubb from wait4meperformance.
We can now get our hands on this transmission for a, well let's say decent price: http://www.ebay.de/itm/TREMEC-T56-MA...item5aef196130
From what we found out so far, this would not fit our setup without any changes!?
Can you guys give us some advice what to do? Change parts on the magnum to make it fit our setup (which parts would that be)
Or
Have the T56 Borg-Warner rebuild/fixed (What parts should we go for)
Thanks in advance and sorry if questions are a bit stupid - we're new to all this
Rebuilding your own would be by far the cheapest option though. Until it is apart and problem is found, hard to say what you need
This place in the UK seems to retail a Magnum for an LS at a not too horrific price ( their listed price is excluding VAT ). Not 100% sure if it is a direct swap for the T56 or not though
http://www.roadcraftuk.co.uk/index.p...product_id=734
Parts Word Performance in the UK were selling a 6060 at a good price for a while, although it was in VXR8 fitment, not F-Body. They dont seem to have stock anymore though
I think Tick Performance and RPM Transmissions were offering the 6060/Magnum as a 100% straight swap for an F-Body
I recall it was fairly pricey though
Ive never taken one apart myself, but it does seem they are fairly basic transmissions.
If you're really stuck, I have a good T56 that's been sitting here for a few years. I had been keeping it as a spare, but ended up not needing it. It's the Tuet 1386. No idea what it would cost to get it to Germany though
02-01-2014, 01:06 PM
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Does those all share same bellhousing bolt pattern?
I´m now building -70 Charger with 6.1 Hemi and T56 from -body, so does bellhousing from Challenger tr6060 fit to this combo?
This -> http://www.factorymoparparts.com/68061184aa.html
I´m now building -70 Charger with 6.1 Hemi and T56 from -body, so does bellhousing from Challenger tr6060 fit to this combo?
This -> http://www.factorymoparparts.com/68061184aa.html
02-01-2014, 01:38 PM
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Pretty sure the BH to T56, is different to the BH to TR6060 flange.
Not sure where the T56 Magnum falls. I'd guess it carries the same bolt pattern as the T56 main case though..
But dont honestly know
Some pics where you can see the T56 and TR6060 are different here
https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...body-pics.html
Not sure where the T56 Magnum falls. I'd guess it carries the same bolt pattern as the T56 main case though..
But dont honestly know
Some pics where you can see the T56 and TR6060 are different here
https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...body-pics.html
02-02-2014, 06:04 AM
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Discovered interesting thing.
Lakewood rm-8077 Hemi to Chevy LS-T56 / Viper T56 (How can they sell it to both, different lenght input shafts)
Lakewood RM-8078 Hemi to Ford T56
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...t56-viper.html
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...t56-chevy.html
Jegs RM-8077 Hemi to Viper T56
Jegs RM-8078 Hemi to LS1 T56
http://www.jegs.com/i/Quick+Time+Bel...-8077/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Quick+Time+Bel...-8078/10002/-1
Summit RM-8077 Hemi to LS1 T56 / Viper T56
Summit RM-8078 Hemi to Ford T56
http://www.summitracing.com/dom/part...8077/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/qti-rm-8078
Amazon RM-8077 Hemi to Viper T56
Amazon RM-8078 Hemi to LS1 T56
http://www.amazon.com/Lakewood-RM-80...ywords=rm-8077
There is somesord of mix up in this, but could it be that 8077 requires Viper input shaft or custom flywheel and pilot bearing spacer.
And 8078 is direct fit with LS T56
And, Rm-8081 for Hemi and Dodge TR6060, for new Challenger that sees to have separate bellhousing unlike Chevy TR6060. If you look picture, seems that transmission bolt pattern is same that older T56 boxes, but what would be the lenght? Can´t seem to find that dimension picture anywhere.
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...9-10chall.html
And again, reason i investigate this, Dodge bellhousing
http://www.moparpartsoverstock.com/p...8061184AA.html
Is A LOT cheaper
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Lakewood rm-8077 Hemi to Chevy LS-T56 / Viper T56 (How can they sell it to both, different lenght input shafts)
Lakewood RM-8078 Hemi to Ford T56
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...t56-viper.html
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...t56-chevy.html
Jegs RM-8077 Hemi to Viper T56
Jegs RM-8078 Hemi to LS1 T56
http://www.jegs.com/i/Quick+Time+Bel...-8077/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Quick+Time+Bel...-8078/10002/-1
Summit RM-8077 Hemi to LS1 T56 / Viper T56
Summit RM-8078 Hemi to Ford T56
http://www.summitracing.com/dom/part...8077/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/qti-rm-8078
Amazon RM-8077 Hemi to Viper T56
Amazon RM-8078 Hemi to LS1 T56
http://www.amazon.com/Lakewood-RM-80...ywords=rm-8077
There is somesord of mix up in this, but could it be that 8077 requires Viper input shaft or custom flywheel and pilot bearing spacer.
And 8078 is direct fit with LS T56
And, Rm-8081 for Hemi and Dodge TR6060, for new Challenger that sees to have separate bellhousing unlike Chevy TR6060. If you look picture, seems that transmission bolt pattern is same that older T56 boxes, but what would be the lenght? Can´t seem to find that dimension picture anywhere.
http://lakewoodindustries.com/mopar6...9-10chall.html
And again, reason i investigate this, Dodge bellhousing
http://www.moparpartsoverstock.com/p...8061184AA.html
Is A LOT cheaper
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02-02-2014, 09:15 AM
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Some of the links arent working.
But the Viper T56 front face is definitely different to an LS1 T56 front face. So not sure how they are selling the same bellhousing that claims it fits both. And as you say there will be input shaft differences too.
But the Viper T56 front face is definitely different to an LS1 T56 front face. So not sure how they are selling the same bellhousing that claims it fits both. And as you say there will be input shaft differences too.
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I personally have some extra bellhousing for T56 too, sold to me as Viper housing. Only strange thing that, it´s shorter than GM bellhousing, and viper input shaft is longer? Still, markings tremec cuc1808aa seem to relate to Mopar...? trans end of bellhousing seems completely different than on GM bellhousing but it bolts on to GM t56 perfectly.
Got that cheap, one option is to use that and make thick adapter plate that bolts on to block and trans bolts to that. It´s quite common thing to do here in Finland on transmission swaps.
02-02-2014, 04:15 PM
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Here was good data from Tremec´s, pretty much found my answers.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=154280
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=154280
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Not quite like that. The T6060 is at T56 Magnum built to GM specs. In otherwords, to save money, the transmission is downgraded to handle the output of 400 HP motors. There are actually two V8 motors you can order on the new Camaro: one under 400HP and the other over 400 HP.
The T56 Magnum in its standard form is rated upto 700 ft lbs of torque compared with 450 for the T56. Neither of the above motors requires a tranny to hold that much torque, so the Magnum is downgraded to approximately the torque of the prior T56 to save GM money.
Is this penny wise and dollar foolish? Time will tell. If new buyers become angry or frustrated if and when they start to have tranny problems with 100 HP aftermarket bolt on upgrades.
Also, the Magnum is a significant upgrade in that the case was beefed up as well and not just the inner gearing. It has lots of potential. But be careful when comparing the T6060 to the Magnum. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
I do not know for certain, but it seems that GM ordered the T56 Magnum from Tremec built with prior T56 parts. It is unlikely that Tremec would redesign the tranny and pay the additional engineering for reduced output and hence reduced cost tranny. I do not know for certain, but the economics of it suggests prior T56 parts were subsituted in the new Magnum case to hold down costs.
The T56 Magnum in its standard form is rated upto 700 ft lbs of torque compared with 450 for the T56. Neither of the above motors requires a tranny to hold that much torque, so the Magnum is downgraded to approximately the torque of the prior T56 to save GM money.
Is this penny wise and dollar foolish? Time will tell. If new buyers become angry or frustrated if and when they start to have tranny problems with 100 HP aftermarket bolt on upgrades.
Also, the Magnum is a significant upgrade in that the case was beefed up as well and not just the inner gearing. It has lots of potential. But be careful when comparing the T6060 to the Magnum. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
I do not know for certain, but it seems that GM ordered the T56 Magnum from Tremec built with prior T56 parts. It is unlikely that Tremec would redesign the tranny and pay the additional engineering for reduced output and hence reduced cost tranny. I do not know for certain, but the economics of it suggests prior T56 parts were subsituted in the new Magnum case to hold down costs.
What happens as a manufacture supplies and engine with “X” torque TREMEC has to validate those numbers. The validation is what cost $200k-$300k per validation. The higher the validation the higher the cost. 2010 camaro 6.2ltr. 400fpt, TREMEC supplies a TR6060 and runs a validation up to 430fpt and stops the test due to cost. Viper request requires 600fpt so TREMEC runs the Tr6060 or T56, same trans just different tailshaft and runs the test to 650fpt and so on.
Just bought a 2010 tr6060 for my 69 camaro BBC, yes I bolts right up to it and I was worried about those number and called TREMEC and this was the answer I was given. Hope this helps.
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