monster clutch ?
monster clutch ? I got a monster clutch and pressure plate from my friend out of his ls3 vette, im gonna put it in my ls1 camaro, but not sure which flywheel i should run, cause he needed to keep his, do i need an ls1, ls2, ls3, or ls7 flywheel, or do i have to run a monster specific flywheel
im pretty sure the ls3 and ls7 are the same
thanks
im pretty sure the ls3 and ls7 are the same
thanks
I've got one of those as well, but it still needs to be resurfaced. I just checked and the one that I have for sale is actually a Centerforce flywheel, so I stand corrected. However, its the same weight 29lbs (I weighed both of them on my shipping scale). The Centerforce is comprised of nickel-steel. Aren't the Monster flywheels Carbon steel 1045 ?
I've got one of those as well, but it still needs to be resurfaced. I just checked and the one that I have for sale is actually a Centerforce flywheel, so I stand corrected. However, its the same weight 29lbs (I weighed both of them on my shipping scale). The Centerforce is comprised of nickel-steel. Aren't the Monster flywheels Carbon steel 1045 ?
They are made of certified billet 1045 steel which is designed to take extreme abuse in these situations. If you are that curious I will get the certifications for the material from our engineers and let you know exactly what it's made of.
And just an FYI, Centerforces flywheels are made from 1045 billet steel, NOT nickel-steel.
If you are insinuating that our flywheels are made from "chinese" material I will tell you that you are wrong. We buy U.S. steel and have them cnc machined at a shop in Texas, they are far superior to others on the market.
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Our flywheels are actually 27.75lbs on a certified scale.
They are made of certified billet 1045 steel which is designed to take extreme abuse in these situations. If you are that curious I will get the certifications for the material from our engineers and let you know exactly what it's made of.
And just an FYI, Centerforces flywheels are made from 1045 billet steel, NOT nickel-steel.
If you are insinuating that our flywheels are made from "chinese" material I will tell you that you are wrong. We buy U.S. steel and have them cnc machined at a shop in Texas, they are far superior to others on the market.
They are made of certified billet 1045 steel which is designed to take extreme abuse in these situations. If you are that curious I will get the certifications for the material from our engineers and let you know exactly what it's made of.
And just an FYI, Centerforces flywheels are made from 1045 billet steel, NOT nickel-steel.
If you are insinuating that our flywheels are made from "chinese" material I will tell you that you are wrong. We buy U.S. steel and have them cnc machined at a shop in Texas, they are far superior to others on the market.
Touchy subject I guess...As a matter of fact 1045 is not made to handle high amounts of heat. It is not superior to anything, as its just about the lowest grade of metal you can use for a flywheel. Here is why...
The 1045 designation is simply regular old steel, aka "screw stock" (10) with 0.45% (45) carbon content, which makes is a really hard steel.This is good as long as the flywheel is thick enough to handle all the heat. Guess that's why it is 4.75lbs heavier than a stock flywheel. Nickel content actually increases the steel's ability to handle heat. The Centerforce flywheel is actually 2xxx designation, not 1045. The 2xxx series of steel designates nickel-steel. I use 4140 chromoly [(41) chromoly, and (40) is .40% carbon] for everything as it is designed to resist high amounts of heat. If you don't believe me, then do some reading up on this subject and you will find out that its true. Railroad tracks are made of a chromium steel as well, so that should tell you something. I would have thought your "engineers" would already know this, though...
I am the engineer at Gforce Engineering and i also own the company.
We do the design work on the Monster flywheels and also handle the cnc production, surface grinding and material selection.
They are indeed made from 1045 steel.
1045 works great for flywheels.
We don't like using chromium based steels (41xx) as they are terrible about warping. We don't even use chromoly based materials for the axles we make as we've had problems with warpage in heat treating many times.
We could make the flywheels out of another higher grade of steel such as 4340 but it would only drive the cost up with no real benefit.
Testing in the real world is really the best way to design parts. We've made 1,000's of these flywheels and there have been very few problems with warpage or defects.
Thanks
Chris
We do the design work on the Monster flywheels and also handle the cnc production, surface grinding and material selection.
They are indeed made from 1045 steel.
1045 works great for flywheels.
We don't like using chromium based steels (41xx) as they are terrible about warping. We don't even use chromoly based materials for the axles we make as we've had problems with warpage in heat treating many times.
We could make the flywheels out of another higher grade of steel such as 4340 but it would only drive the cost up with no real benefit.
Testing in the real world is really the best way to design parts. We've made 1,000's of these flywheels and there have been very few problems with warpage or defects.
Thanks
Chris
My engineer will be replying in this thread shortly. Not a touchy subject. We've proven time and time again that our flywheels work with well over 3,000 units sold.
I would think that you'd be out trying to prove your products rather than disprove ours.
For the record, I just called Centerforce and they verified that their flywheels are 1045.
I would think that you'd be out trying to prove your products rather than disprove ours.
For the record, I just called Centerforce and they verified that their flywheels are 1045.
I am the engineer at Gforce Engineering and i also own the company.
We do the design work on the Monster flywheels and also handle the cnc production, surface grinding and material selection.
They are indeed made from 1045 steel.
1045 works great for flywheels.
We don't like using chromium based steels (41xx) as they are terrible about warping. We don't even use chromoly based materials for the axles we make as we've had problems with warpage in heat treating many times.
We could make the flywheels out of another higher grade of steel such as 4340 but it would only drive the cost up with no real benefit.
Testing in the real world is really the best way to design parts. We've made 1,000's of these flywheels and there have been very few problems with warpage or defects.
Thanks
Chris
We do the design work on the Monster flywheels and also handle the cnc production, surface grinding and material selection.
They are indeed made from 1045 steel.
1045 works great for flywheels.
We don't like using chromium based steels (41xx) as they are terrible about warping. We don't even use chromoly based materials for the axles we make as we've had problems with warpage in heat treating many times.
We could make the flywheels out of another higher grade of steel such as 4340 but it would only drive the cost up with no real benefit.
Testing in the real world is really the best way to design parts. We've made 1,000's of these flywheels and there have been very few problems with warpage or defects.
Thanks
Chris
I also don't see how you guys had problems with chromoly warping. I have never had a single problem with that issue. It is a major factor, especially with the lightweight flywheel having to be so thin. In order for such a metal to warp, it would need to be red hot, which would be really hard to do (even you you were trying to overheat the clutch). Again, I've never had a problem with it. Granted chromoly is much more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
Thanks
Last edited by TDP; Aug 11, 2010 at 03:46 PM.
My engineer will be replying in this thread shortly. Not a touchy subject. We've proven time and time again that our flywheels work with well over 3,000 units sold.
I would think that you'd be out trying to prove your products rather than disprove ours.
For the record, I just called Centerforce and they verified that their flywheels are 1045.
I would think that you'd be out trying to prove your products rather than disprove ours.
For the record, I just called Centerforce and they verified that their flywheels are 1045.
Centerforce told me their flywheels were 2635 or 26xx, not sure on the carbon content. Guess that guy was wrong. No big deal. I'll just stick to what I have had success with. That's what makes every company different.
I got a monster clutch and pressure plate from my friend out of his ls3 vette, im gonna put it in my ls1 Camaro, but not sure which flywheel i should run, cause he needed to keep his, do i need an ls1, ls2, ls3, or ls7 flywheel, or do i have to run a monster specific flywheel
im pretty sure the ls3 and ls7 are the same
thanks
im pretty sure the ls3 and ls7 are the same
thanks
Just trying to clean up the shop and get rid of crap that has been sitting around.
Thoughts... The greatest issue associated with Chromium based materials is that they are often over-machined, in an effort to achieve a lower weight. As a result, the thinner final product will have a greater potential for deformation/warping relative to heat. For this reason we also use High-carbon Steel (1045/1050) when manufacturing. This isn't to say that Chromium materials are bad; it just means that insuring that there is enough thickness to handle the applied usage is important.
Additionally, it is worth noting that materials are important but so too are other factors like the quality of the machining and the adherence to set tolerances. It's a pretty bold statement to say that your flywheel is "far superior to others on the market". Though it is certain that there will be bias relative to the parts that you are directly, and or indirectly, responsible for how exactly are you quantifying this statement? For instance, we build to a .001" machine tolerance and this far exceeds anything else I have seen from other manufactures.
Additionally, it is worth noting that materials are important but so too are other factors like the quality of the machining and the adherence to set tolerances. It's a pretty bold statement to say that your flywheel is "far superior to others on the market". Though it is certain that there will be bias relative to the parts that you are directly, and or indirectly, responsible for how exactly are you quantifying this statement? For instance, we build to a .001" machine tolerance and this far exceeds anything else I have seen from other manufactures.
Why would you want to sell anyone "crap"? I thought this was a discussion about why people use higher quality?
and the monster is a 12" disk?