More T56 problems after Cam
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If it is bucking and surging while the clutch is engaged at 40, 60 or 30 mph and your foot is not on the clutch or attempting to disengage or re-engage then it has nothing to do with the clutch/trans and is in the tune.
When the clutch is engaged it's not doing anything other than creating a coupling between the flywheel and your input shaft of your transmission. I spoke with Jonathan about this and showed him this thread and allowed him to read your posts and we both think it isn't in the trans, but in the tune.
I drove a 2010 SS 5th gen we have at the shop with a 416 stroker in it before Jonathan had fully tuned it and it jumped and bucked all over the place and felt exactly like you're saying that it had slack in the driveline then it would tighten back up then slack then tighten back up as it was jerking forwards and backwards during the bucking/surging.
Now that Jonathan has the drivability nailed down in it from adjusting the electronic throttle scalar, timing and throttle follower it drives like a dream and only has the faintest hint of it at idle in the parking lot in first or second, but cruising around you don't even notice it now.
When the clutch is engaged it's not doing anything other than creating a coupling between the flywheel and your input shaft of your transmission. I spoke with Jonathan about this and showed him this thread and allowed him to read your posts and we both think it isn't in the trans, but in the tune.
I drove a 2010 SS 5th gen we have at the shop with a 416 stroker in it before Jonathan had fully tuned it and it jumped and bucked all over the place and felt exactly like you're saying that it had slack in the driveline then it would tighten back up then slack then tighten back up as it was jerking forwards and backwards during the bucking/surging.
Now that Jonathan has the drivability nailed down in it from adjusting the electronic throttle scalar, timing and throttle follower it drives like a dream and only has the faintest hint of it at idle in the parking lot in first or second, but cruising around you don't even notice it now.
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Okay, well I am truly lost at this point, and screwed. It did not buck and surge before the clutch swap, or before the cam swap. I had the cam in it and had it tuned and after the tune with the stock clutch it drove perfectly until the clutch started slipping. But drive-ability wise, it was perfect.
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.
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Okay, well I am truly lost at this point, and screwed. It did not buck and surge before the clutch swap, or before the cam swap. I had the cam in it and had it tuned and after the tune with the stock clutch it drove perfectly until the clutch started slipping. But drive-ability wise, it was perfect.
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.![Sad](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_sad.gif)
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.
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Something I may add. The bucking seems to be worse at times and almost non-existent at other times, however, the shaking is still present all of the time.
I feel like there is something off, just simply "off" may it be my tuning, my clutch alignment or balance, or even just something as simply as a bad motor mount. I do not know.
Martin, see if this helps you and your guys any at figuring out my problem.
I appreciate your time, along with everyone else posting.
I feel like there is something off, just simply "off" may it be my tuning, my clutch alignment or balance, or even just something as simply as a bad motor mount. I do not know.
Martin, see if this helps you and your guys any at figuring out my problem.
I appreciate your time, along with everyone else posting.
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Okay, well the annoying vibration I was getting is now gone, exhaust pipe was contacting my UMI tunnel brace.
The vibration being gone makes it alot more calm to drive.
My main concern right now still is the transmission shaking when reversing and when taking off calmly.
What can cause the shaking?
The bucking, well, I can deal with that for now.
The vibration being gone makes it alot more calm to drive.
My main concern right now still is the transmission shaking when reversing and when taking off calmly.
What can cause the shaking?
The bucking, well, I can deal with that for now.
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More transmission problems. Very bad bucking while cruising and idling. The transmission shakes violently when taking off. It stakes insanely when reversing.
*sigh*, any help would be great.
I am nearly certain it is a clutch problem. I dropped another $90 on a new trans mount. no difference.
Do not know if it is the clutch itself or the installer, who swears it was installed correctly. I drove by the shop and confronted him about the shaking and vibrations. The owner stated that it came in an "un-marked box with no information what-so-ever. No brand name or any sort of documents".
I cannot afford this dam car, and have an ever bigger problem when it is in the shop and I am left bumming rides for 15 miles a day.....
someone, help me please.
Tick? what are you guys thoughts on this?
*sigh*, any help would be great.
I am nearly certain it is a clutch problem. I dropped another $90 on a new trans mount. no difference.
Do not know if it is the clutch itself or the installer, who swears it was installed correctly. I drove by the shop and confronted him about the shaking and vibrations. The owner stated that it came in an "un-marked box with no information what-so-ever. No brand name or any sort of documents".
I cannot afford this dam car, and have an ever bigger problem when it is in the shop and I am left bumming rides for 15 miles a day.....
someone, help me please.
Tick? what are you guys thoughts on this?
I'm questioning the install on this, a Level 2 is a very, very smooth performing clutch. It's a full face material that doesn't chatter when the install is done correctly. ALL of my clutches come in boxes clearly marked Monster with complete install instructions, a packing slip, and stickers.
Okay, well I am truly lost at this point, and screwed. It did not buck and surge before the clutch swap, or before the cam swap. I had the cam in it and had it tuned and after the tune with the stock clutch it drove perfectly until the clutch started slipping. But drive-ability wise, it was perfect.
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.![Sad](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_sad.gif)
After the clutch install, it seemed OK at first with a little chatter when engaging, but now, the chatter has gone and the shaking bucking, vibrating, and noise from the transmission has started. I just want to get this **** right.
My main concern right now is the transmission shaking it's *** off when taking off and even worse when reversing. The god awful vibrations need to go too. I cannot even fully engage the clutch when reversing, the more I let it out the more the trans shakes. I literally feel like the transmission is going to just fall out of my car when I engage the clutch.
The last thing that I need is to pay for another tune, another clutch, or another clutch install right now.
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As far as the tuning being off, I'd take a look at the MAP to make sure it wasn't pulled out during the clutch install and make sure the MAF is plugged in and the hose that connects to the MAF isn't pulled off or tore. Any air coming in after the MAF is going to screw with the tune.
Something I may add. The bucking seems to be worse at times and almost non-existent at other times, however, the shaking is still present all of the time.
I feel like there is something off, just simply "off" may it be my tuning, my clutch alignment or balance, or even just something as simply as a bad motor mount. I do not know.
Martin, see if this helps you and your guys any at figuring out my problem.
I appreciate your time, along with everyone else posting.
I feel like there is something off, just simply "off" may it be my tuning, my clutch alignment or balance, or even just something as simply as a bad motor mount. I do not know.
Martin, see if this helps you and your guys any at figuring out my problem.
I appreciate your time, along with everyone else posting.
Keep me in the loop as things progress, I'll help all I can to make sure you're happy with our product.
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First of all, Steve I appreciate you coming in and and taking the time to help me figure this mess out. You question the installer of this clutch, and I do not blame you. I regret taking it to this shop. After the job was dont I learned that they do not warranty their work to any extent and I feel like they lied to be about the clutch being in an unmarked box and having no documents whatsoever.
I got in a fairly heated argument with the owner of "R&M Transmission" today about the install. Before this argument, he swore that the clutch was installed "just right", and that there is no reason it should be doing anything abnormal. He then went on to describe how I purchased a "off brand clutch in poor packaging that he has never seen in his XX amount of years doing transmission work" as if he was blaming the clutch itself for my troubles and that there was no chance he could have done something wrong. That is a real shitty way to run a business.
Whatever! I don't want to mess with that scumbag anymore..
I could take it to another shop and get it just right I would, but my budget does not quite allow for that right now. I was not even intending on having to do a clutch swap initially, much less twice.
So this MAP and MAF you speak of, are you talking about the mass air flow sensor on the intake?
Again, I appreciate you standing behind your product and the good customer service.
I got in a fairly heated argument with the owner of "R&M Transmission" today about the install. Before this argument, he swore that the clutch was installed "just right", and that there is no reason it should be doing anything abnormal. He then went on to describe how I purchased a "off brand clutch in poor packaging that he has never seen in his XX amount of years doing transmission work" as if he was blaming the clutch itself for my troubles and that there was no chance he could have done something wrong. That is a real shitty way to run a business.
Whatever! I don't want to mess with that scumbag anymore..
I could take it to another shop and get it just right I would, but my budget does not quite allow for that right now. I was not even intending on having to do a clutch swap initially, much less twice.
So this MAP and MAF you speak of, are you talking about the mass air flow sensor on the intake?
Again, I appreciate you standing behind your product and the good customer service.
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First of all, Steve I appreciate you coming in and and taking the time to help me figure this mess out. You question the installer of this clutch, and I do not blame you. I regret taking it to this shop. After the job was dont I learned that they do not warranty their work to any extent and I feel like they lied to be about the clutch being in an unmarked box and having no documents whatsoever.
I got in a fairly heated argument with the owner of "R&M Transmission" today about the install. Before this argument, he swore that the clutch was installed "just right", and that there is no reason it should be doing anything abnormal. He then went on to describe how I purchased a "off brand clutch in poor packaging that he has never seen in his XX amount of years doing transmission work" as if he was blaming the clutch itself for my troubles and that there was no chance he could have done something wrong. That is a real shitty way to run a business.
Whatever! I don't want to mess with that scumbag anymore..
I could take it to another shop and get it just right I would, but my budget does not quite allow for that right now. I was not even intending on having to do a clutch swap initially, much less twice.
So this MAP and MAF you speak of, are you talking about the mass air flow sensor on the intake?
Again, I appreciate you standing behind your product and the good customer service.
I got in a fairly heated argument with the owner of "R&M Transmission" today about the install. Before this argument, he swore that the clutch was installed "just right", and that there is no reason it should be doing anything abnormal. He then went on to describe how I purchased a "off brand clutch in poor packaging that he has never seen in his XX amount of years doing transmission work" as if he was blaming the clutch itself for my troubles and that there was no chance he could have done something wrong. That is a real shitty way to run a business.
Whatever! I don't want to mess with that scumbag anymore..
I could take it to another shop and get it just right I would, but my budget does not quite allow for that right now. I was not even intending on having to do a clutch swap initially, much less twice.
So this MAP and MAF you speak of, are you talking about the mass air flow sensor on the intake?
Again, I appreciate you standing behind your product and the good customer service.
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I see you're in LA, if you can find a way to make a road trip to us we'll fix it for free. I hate seeing people get pushed around, it pisses me off a bit.
Otherwise, yes the MAF is the mass airflow sensor and the MAP is the manifold absolute pressure sensor. Every once in a while they become unplugged or things occur when you drop the transmission and don't pay attention. Double check that and let me know.
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