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Old 11-26-2013, 08:14 PM
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Any builders care to comment on my speculation? Im curious why big name builders would'nt make the lube pump part of the package on the big HP units
Old 11-27-2013, 06:48 AM
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I love manual cars, trucks. I don't own any automatics, but if it ever comes to a point where I want serious power, I would go to a 4L80/E. They are consistent and will hold up to a lot of abuse.
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well tick includes it as an option on their t56's, the bungs atleast. have to install you own pump
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rpm will set u up with the pump option. i will be taking my trans up there for them to go though and see how its holding up soon. i broke many gearsets like in the picture at about 700whp before i put the pump on and have not broke one since my trans last year looked great when they tore it down after two seasons of 800+ whp and i am currious to see how the current one looks after a full season @900+whp. and i feel the amsoil atf is the only way to go in them.
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Originally Posted by blue99fbody
rpm will set u up with the pump option. i will be taking my trans up there for them to go though and see how its holding up soon. i broke many gearsets like in the picture at about 700whp before i put the pump on and have not broke one since my trans last year looked great when they tore it down after two seasons of 800+ whp and i am currious to see how the current one looks after a full season @900+whp. and i feel the amsoil atf is the only way to go in them.

What did you pay out the door for the full pump setup
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RPM trans and pump here.
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interesting read!
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defiantly some great info in here. Im going to stick with the T56 and and run an external pump set
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Originally Posted by studderin
RPM trans and pump here.
From your sig looks like you are under 450rwhp, I am sure a stock trans would last a long time without a pump. Never hurts to have one either way.
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Originally Posted by blue99fbody
rpm will set u up with the pump option. i will be taking my trans up there for them to go though and see how its holding up soon. i broke many gearsets like in the picture at about 700whp before i put the pump on and have not broke one since my trans last year looked great when they tore it down after two seasons of 800+ whp and i am currious to see how the current one looks after a full season @900+whp. and i feel the amsoil atf is the only way to go in them.
I am guessing you are nitrous fed? I haven't seen that many broken gears from nitrous cars. Maybe 2 that I can remember. But it was always 2nd/3rd gear. The 2 gears from a nitrous car have always been just broken. The turbo cars burn the gear, then break. You can see the dscoloring blue in the gear.
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Originally Posted by dgcustomz
I am guessing you are nitrous fed? I haven't seen that many broken gears from nitrous cars. Maybe 2 that I can remember. But it was always 2nd/3rd gear. The 2 gears from a nitrous car have always been just broken. The turbo cars burn the gear, then break. You can see the dscoloring blue in the gear.

The real question is how many turbo T56 cars with pumps have failures.
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Originally Posted by oscs
The real question is how many turbo T56 cars with pumps have failures.
I don't think you will find many have done the pump, especially at that power level(they'll go automatic). The guy above has a pump but is only pushing under 450rwhp to it. That low of power will put now where close to the stress that 1k rwhp will to the gear set.
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Originally Posted by dgcustomz
I don't think you will find many have done the pump, especially at that power level(they'll go automatic). The guy above has a pump but is only pushing under 450rwhp to it. That low of power will put now where close to the stress that 1k rwhp will to the gear set.
I think blue 99 is actually well over 450 iirc but I'm not certain. The fact that so few people have actually put pumps on their trans is what leads me to believe the T56 has a fighting chance at that level. I will find out though, ordering the pump Monday morning.
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Originally Posted by dgcustomz
I am guessing you are nitrous fed? I haven't seen that many broken gears from nitrous cars. Maybe 2 that I can remember. But it was always 2nd/3rd gear. The 2 gears from a nitrous car have always been just broken. The turbo cars burn the gear, then break. You can see the dscoloring blue in the gear.
yes nitrous and i have broken plenty of gears and burned up the input and cluster where they were blue as can be before i went to a pump. if anything id say nitrous is harder on them with there being no lag the power is an on off switch.

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I think blue 99 is actually well over 450 iirc but I'm not certain. The fact that so few people have actually put pumps on their trans is what leads me to believe the T56 has a fighting chance at that level. I will find out though, ordering the pump Monday morning.
i believe he is talking about studderin. i am making ~900-950rwhp and have been 8.80@155
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Originally Posted by blue99fbody
yes nitrous and i have broken plenty of gears and burned up the input and cluster where they were blue as can be before i went to a pump. if anything id say nitrous is harder on them with there being no lag the power is an on off switch.



i believe he is talking about studderin. i am making ~900-950rwhp and have been 8.80@155
Yes sir, talkin about studderin. What OSCS wants is a roll racing trans. These races last a lot longer than 8-10 seconds. I'd love to know how it looks inside whenever you do a tear down on it now that it's been running with a pump.

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Originally Posted by dgcustomz
Yes sir, talkin about studderin. What OSCS wants is a roll racing trans. These races last a lot longer that 8-10 seconds. I'd love to know how it looks inside whenever you do a tear down on it now that it's been running with a pump.
correct and yes im in for pictures as well
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Wow hell of a thread, thanks OP for being persistent and asking specific questions. Everyone usually stops investigating after people say "nope it'll never work, just have to buy a 6060" I have also wondered how to make a T56 live longer, at 750rw with a TDP mildly built trans, its lived for a year and a half of roll racing and MULTIPLE 5th gear pulls. Sometimes deep into 5th and still no issue. Also was S/C at the time and didnt have a pump or cryo. treated gears.

Now going turbo and this whole pump idea seems to be the ticket
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Originally Posted by bmxer8699
Wow hell of a thread, thanks OP for being persistent and asking specific questions. Everyone usually stops investigating after people say "nope it'll never work, just have to buy a 6060" I have also wondered how to make a T56 live longer, at 750rw with a TDP mildly built trans, its lived for a year and a half of roll racing and MULTIPLE 5th gear pulls. Sometimes deep into 5th and still no issue. Also was S/C at the time and didnt have a pump or cryo. treated gears. Now going turbo and this whole pump idea seems to be the ticket
Glad my curiosity could help.
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We'll find out soon enough. I talked to TDP a couple months ago and they will definitely be building my t56. My stocker has been fine at between 600-800hp/tq. Its only ever seen roll racing in that time too. They are going to install a bung for a sprayer and ill add the pump. They will get the trans in spring once its warm enough to work on the car again.

FWIW i expect to be over 800hp/tq this year as well as finally take it to the track, its a primarily a highway car though.
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Originally Posted by Ryans99ls1
We'll find out soon enough. I talked to TDP a couple months ago and they will definitely be building my t56. My stocker has been fine at between 600-800hp/tq. Its only ever seen roll racing in that time too. They are going to install a bung for a sprayer and ill add the pump. They will get the trans in spring once its warm enough to work on the car again.

FWIW i expect to be over 800hp/tq this year as well as finally take it to the track, its a primarily a highway car though.
Ill be in the same situation. What pump are you going with?


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