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Old 01-21-2016, 09:14 PM
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Nice vids! Do ya'll ever shift w/o the clutch? Was under the impression you just "sag" the power enough to unload the drivetrain, then pull the lever...
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I'm wanting to get mine done too next year , probably going with RPM , but have any of u guys had anyof the different hardening processes or polishing done and is it worth the extra $$
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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Nice vids! Do ya'll ever shift w/o the clutch? Was under the impression you just "sag" the power enough to unload the drivetrain, then pull the lever...
Well yea


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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Nice vids! Do ya'll ever shift w/o the clutch? Was under the impression you just "sag" the power enough to unload the drivetrain, then pull the lever...
People do it, but Liberty recommends against not using the clutch because the plates are welded onto stock gears rather than a gear that was forged/machined with the plates integrated.

I putt around town and shift without the clutch sometimes, but quick stab the clutch on WOT shifts. You might get away with no clutch longer on a car like Hio's.....moderate power level and lighter weight. Bigger power and weight you risk ripping the plates off the gears.
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Originally Posted by 1nastyss
I'm wanting to get mine done too next year , probably going with RPM , but have any of u guys had anyof the different hardening processes or polishing done and is it worth the extra $$
If all your doing is getting it faceplated than I would send it straight to liberty. As they are the ones that will be modifying the gears and how
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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Nice vids! Do ya'll ever shift w/o the clutch? Was under the impression you just "sag" the power enough to unload the drivetrain, then pull the lever...
Strictly speaking once the box is loaded up, you would need to be brutally ignorant to pull it out of gear without some sort of power cut.

Whether that's the clutch, ignition, fuel, rpm limiter, lifting off etc etc is up to you.

But the edges of the "dogs" are designed so that when loaded they will not want to dis-engage, basically so there's minimal cahnce of it ever jumping out of gear

Trying to rip it out of gear when loaded hard...I could easily see it damaging parts of the shift mechanism
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Mine's a little different, old-school Jerico dog box. The mere mention of face plating brought me in here to learn...
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Well, Liberty has had my transmission since January 22. I am starting to lose my friggen mind waiting on them. I have had the chance to optimize a few other things on the car while its down though.
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Originally Posted by Jtm2085
Well, Liberty has had my transmission since January 22. I am starting to lose my friggen mind waiting on them. I have had the chance to optimize a few other things on the car while its down though.
Wow.....that sucks....I'm about to send my spare t56 to them to get done next month
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Be prepared to wait for what feels like eternity.
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I try to minimize the amount of time I spend depressing the clutch pedal.

The longer you hold it, the more wear/less life left in the spinning, touching metal parts that make contact.

In most applications, you only get one chance to add grease to the TOB: when you install it for the first time. Then, its sealed up in there until the clutch burns up. In a daily driver app, that could be 50k miles. If you hold the clutch every single time you are at a light, the TOB will probably not make it. Depends on the manufacturer and installation type, but FWIW I thought it worth mentioning we should not hold our foot, or even rest our foot, against the clutch pedal when not necessary.
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TOB's are sealed bearings, you do not add grease to them and they last a very very long time.

Although what relevance your post has to faceplating.....bit of a mystery.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
TOB's are sealed bearings, you do not add grease to them and they last a very very long time.

Although what relevance your post has to faceplating.....bit of a mystery.
I was kind of wondering the same thing lol
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
TOB's are sealed bearings, you do not add grease to them and they last a very very long time.

Although what relevance your post has to faceplating.....bit of a mystery.
Oh many cars you put disulfide molybdenum (sp?) grease on the face of the TOB before locking it away for good. You didn't do that for yours? The fingers of the pressure plate get some grease there in most applications. I didnt mean the inside of the TOB.

I brought it up because I watch the video, and the guy was saying "I leave it in gear when I come to a stop, holding the clutch" and I was thinking to myself thats a great way to cut the life of the TOB in half on many cars.
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Originally Posted by kingtal0n
I try to minimize the amount of time I spend depressing the clutch pedal.

The longer you hold it, the more wear/less life left in the spinning, touching metal parts that make contact.

In most applications, you only get one chance to add grease to the TOB: when you install it for the first time. Then, its sealed up in there until the clutch burns up. In a daily driver app, that could be 50k miles. If you hold the clutch every single time you are at a light, the TOB will probably not make it. Depends on the manufacturer and installation type, but FWIW I thought it worth mentioning we should not hold our foot, or even rest our foot, against the clutch pedal when not necessary.
I never faceplate 1st myself, but anyone who does will likely be spending their time at the stoplites with the clutch pedal pressed in instead of pulling it out of gear.
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Originally Posted by weedburner
I never faceplate 1st myself, but anyone who does will likely be spending their time at the stoplites with the clutch pedal pressed in instead of pulling it out of gear.
And why would they do that ?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
And why would they do that ?
That "bang" when you engage 1st from a stop with the engine running. Doesn't really hurt the transmission much, but gets annoying in traffic.
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Originally Posted by weedburner
That "bang" when you engage 1st from a stop with the engine running. Doesn't really hurt the transmission much, but gets annoying in traffic.
you only get a bang if your clutch is not disengaging correctly
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
you only get a bang if your clutch is not disengaging correctly
Tell that to the guy behind you when the lite changes and you wait for your clutch to wind down.
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Originally Posted by weedburner
Tell that to the guy behind you when the lite changes and you wait for your clutch to wind down.
Why would you need to wait ?

How many cars have you ever driven with dogs or face plates ?


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