CARTEK OR RAM
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CARTEK OR RAM I was going to get the Cartek clutch but do you guys think the Ram unit is better? Project: stage 2 ported LS6 heads/cam & ATI stage 2 GWP blower, until I get my 420+ stroker with stage 3 LS6 heads and the blower.
Re: CARTEK OR RAM You want to try that again Blackhawk? Cartek's clutch is far from a "warmed-over" Z06. Considering I sell both. I don't see how you can mistake a disc with Bronze ceramic material in the shape of rectangular pucks for a full-surface organic material disc? And, the 3200 lbs. of clamping force generated by Cartek's clutch is far more then the 1900-2000 lbs. produced by the '02 Z06. Lastly, tell me what Z06 clutch you've seen go low 11s, high 10s and live?? I haven't seen any, but if I'm wrong about that last part, I'd love to be corrected with proof.
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Mongoose, I would STRONGLY suggest you purchase the Cartek or an equivilant clutch for your application (I haven't heard enough about the Ram clutch to have an opinion on it. I do believe the McCloud has had good results, though. I think there's a McCloud in MickeyC5's 10-sec, stick Z28). If you purchase the Z06, it may only last you a half a season if you're lucky with your power. And, that I've seen from experience.
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: NYNJRacer ]</p>
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Abe
Mongoose, I would STRONGLY suggest you purchase the Cartek or an equivilant clutch for your application (I haven't heard enough about the Ram clutch to have an opinion on it. I do believe the McCloud has had good results, though. I think there's a McCloud in MickeyC5's 10-sec, stick Z28). If you purchase the Z06, it may only last you a half a season if you're lucky with your power. And, that I've seen from experience.
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM To the best of my knoweldge they use the ZO6 pressure plate, and drill holes in it to soften the hit of the kevler, or carbon fiber. Then they use an agressive disk material on a factory "backing".
Are you the same guy who was auctioning a heads/cam engine on Ebay under the name NJracin or something like that.
Are you the same guy who was auctioning a heads/cam engine on Ebay under the name NJracin or something like that.
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM [quote]Originally posted by bigSS:
<strong>I have the Cartek, I love it. Not pushing much power though. Apparently the Cartek is a little more streetable, where as the RAM is a more of an "on - off" type clutch.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only the clutch Harlan is using is on/off. He has a metallic friction material. you can get organic materials with their higher clamping force PP. Plus it's like $300.
<strong>I have the Cartek, I love it. Not pushing much power though. Apparently the Cartek is a little more streetable, where as the RAM is a more of an "on - off" type clutch.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only the clutch Harlan is using is on/off. He has a metallic friction material. you can get organic materials with their higher clamping force PP. Plus it's like $300.
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM No Blackhawk, I'm not selling anything on Ebay.. And no, Cartek uses a pressure plate made for them specifically by Borg & Beck with 3200 lbs. clamping force. They do not use the industy-standard Valeo pressure plate, which is even used for the factory LS6. The Cartek clutch is VERY streetable, with no chatter.
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM [quote]To the best of my knoweldge they use the ZO6 pressure plate, and drill holes in it to soften the hit of the kevler, or carbon fiber. Then they use an agressive disk material on a factory "backing".<hr></blockquote>
That sounds like the Spec clutch PP. The Cartek PP does not have holes in it and the disk friction material is metallic, not carbon or kevlar.
Mark
That sounds like the Spec clutch PP. The Cartek PP does not have holes in it and the disk friction material is metallic, not carbon or kevlar.
Mark
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM [quote]Originally posted by NYNJRacer:
<strong>The Cartek clutch is VERY streetable, with no chatter.
Abe</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have heard of a couple people on this board with a Cartek and theirs chatters.
BTW, I'm going with the RAM because it's like 1/2 the price. <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0">
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: J'sRamAir ]</p>
<strong>The Cartek clutch is VERY streetable, with no chatter.
Abe</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have heard of a couple people on this board with a Cartek and theirs chatters.
BTW, I'm going with the RAM because it's like 1/2 the price. <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0">
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: J'sRamAir ]</p>
Re: CARTEK OR RAM Well, I believe some of their early designs had chatter issues, but their latest design that they completed this year has had no recorded incidences with chatter. Some factors that can induce chatter is if the flywheel wasn't re-surfaced correctly, or if an aftermarket, lightened flywheel was used. There's also the factor of who adjusted the clutchm and if they're adjusted correctly..
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM [quote]Lastly, tell me what Z06 clutch you've seen go low 11s, high 10s and live?? I haven't seen any, but if I'm wrong about that last part, I'd love to be corrected with proof.<hr></blockquote>
11.3/124 mph spraying out of the hole on ET streets. 02 Z06 clutch, still living to this day on a heads/cam/intake/nitrous car. <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">
I have compared the Cartek PP, and it looks the exact same at the GM fullsize truck disk. I could be wrong, but it looks like the EXACT same design.
11.3/124 mph spraying out of the hole on ET streets. 02 Z06 clutch, still living to this day on a heads/cam/intake/nitrous car. <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">
I have compared the Cartek PP, and it looks the exact same at the GM fullsize truck disk. I could be wrong, but it looks like the EXACT same design.
Re: CARTEK OR RAM Test the pressure plate and you'll be surprised.. But, I would again have to say, besides the pressure difference, the fact that cartek's pp is maufactured by Borg&Beck (Which it says on it) and most other's, including the factory Z06, are produced by Valeo (also listed on the pp) is the next most apperant and drmatic difference..
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Re: CARTEK OR RAM I've had a Cartek clutch in for almost 1000 miles, and haven't had any chatter. It was like night and day going to that from the stock 38000 mile clutch <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> It's not an on/off type clutch, I've had no problems driving in stop-go traffic.
Re: CARTEK OR RAM My first Cartek (the early version) chattered only a little, not even 10% as badly as the kevlar clutches I've had in this car. Those were horrible! I've now got the revised Cartek and it does not chatter at all. It also seems to allow shifts smoother than my last one. And yes, it is good enough for me to get both front tires in the air when I dump it at 6K rpm and hook <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0">
As Abe said, the Cartek pressure plate is NOT a GM product. It is manufactured by Borg & Beck and their name is even stamped on it. Looks more like a heavy industrial truck application.
Tony
As Abe said, the Cartek pressure plate is NOT a GM product. It is manufactured by Borg & Beck and their name is even stamped on it. Looks more like a heavy industrial truck application.
Tony
