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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Just swapped my a4 for a t56. Problem is is that the clutch does not engage until the very top of the pedal travel. Because of this it seems like the clutch slips under heavy acceleration. Would making the master cylinder adjustable fix this??
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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It could.....You may want to try bleeding it again first though.

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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Will it cause a problem if I don't bleed it right away? I don't rag on the car on the way to and from work most days. I'd like to be able to come home for the first time in a week and not have to work on the car. As long as I drive the car easy will I be ok?
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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Should be fine, but the pedal won't be consistent....

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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 03:50 PM
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The pedal is consistent. It always engages at the top.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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As long as it's engaging enough to keep it from slipping under normal driving conditions then you should be ok for awhile. Shimming the slave or an adjustable master is the only way to move the engagement point in the pedal travel AFAIK, the latter of which is far easier.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. Now Im not as worried about it.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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Did you put the shim that came with or at least should have your clutch in?
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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yes i put the shim on the slave cylinder that it came with. I think the clutch is not fully engaging. Will do the adjustable master fix that?
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If everything is as you say, it should

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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 07:20 AM
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So i tested it this morning. I had the car in 3rd just cruising, and then hit it. The car immediately reved up and didn't go anywhere. I hope that was just the clutch slipping because it is not fully engaged. Does my diagnosis sound right?
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Sounds right to me. An adjustable master should fix it, you just need to move your engagement point further down the pedal travel. If you enjoy dropping the trans, removing that shim behind the slave would accomplish the same thing.
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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Sweet, I know what this weekends project is! If the adjustable master doesn't solve it removing the shim will? I thought you were supposed to run the shim on the slave with the SPEC clutch. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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an adjustable master won't fix a clearance issue. remove the shim.
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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Well it's going to the shop, cuz I couldn't fix my oil leak that has been there since the motor was built. Oil seems to coming out of the plug behind the pilot bearing. I put silicone on it, but that didn't help at all. So while the shop has the car they should pull the shim off? From what i understand you are supposed to run that shim with a Spec 3 clutch. Can it be taken off and everything be ok?
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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I had an eagle crank and the rear plug leaked too. They sent me a few and had me install them. If there is no free travel at the top of the clutch pedal the clutch isn't fully released. The problem is with a shim the throwout bearing is too close(touching) the pressure plate fingers. Adjustable masters cannot make the throwout bearing smaller. They will make the pedal height change but with the shim the throwout may be to "thick" in some cases
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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I know the throwout was touching the fingers when I was trying to install the tranny. Still waiting to hear from the engine builder, cuz I really dont want to have to pull the tranny again.
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Ok, The least expensive fix for the high-pedal is removing the shim. Every car is different and some cars may not need the shim...which is what it sounds like in your case. While you are in there make sure that oil leak didn't contaminate the disc. If it did, then the slipage you are experiencing may not go away with the shim removed. You can clean the disc, flywheel, and plate with brake-clean to remove the contaminent (note this will not work on an organic or kevlar disc). Let me know if you have any further questions. BTW, an adjustable master won't fix the issue as you describe it. Thanks!
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Well, it looks like the tranny is coming out. Just found out I may have to replace the crank plug in my eagle crank because that is what is leaking more than likely. Funny thing is, is that I put silicone on it while I was installing the tranny. So I have no idea why it is leaking now. I dont think it's the rear main seal cuz that was dry when I swapped tranny's. WTF?!?!
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