McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!!
04-07-2003, 11:46 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLMONGOOSE:
<strong> What where your symptom b4 you bled the clutch correctly. I just got my car back and I dont think they bled out the system correctly.
My clutch pedal has lag on the way up. I can actually pull my foot of quicker than pedal can come up.
Can this be my problem? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That was one of my early issue when I had A LOT of air in M/C and before the drill mod. Your problem definitely sounds like a bleed issue to me. How did you bleed it when installed it?
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<strong> What where your symptom b4 you bled the clutch correctly. I just got my car back and I dont think they bled out the system correctly.
My clutch pedal has lag on the way up. I can actually pull my foot of quicker than pedal can come up.
Can this be my problem? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That was one of my early issue when I had A LOT of air in M/C and before the drill mod. Your problem definitely sounds like a bleed issue to me. How did you bleed it when installed it?
Mike
04-08-2003, 10:17 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Any possiblities of doing this with the master installed in the car? I have access to a lift and a mighty vac, but its a pain in the *** to remove and re-install the master. I know you'd need one guy in the car and another at the connection, but this might be an option.
I know I have the McCleod adj. master and have problems sometimes getting into 3 & 4 under full throttle at high rpms. Maybe this is my problem.
THanks for the write up.
Brien
I know I have the McCleod adj. master and have problems sometimes getting into 3 & 4 under full throttle at high rpms. Maybe this is my problem.
THanks for the write up.
Brien
04-10-2003, 03:54 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Alchemist:
<strong> Any possiblities of doing this with the master installed in the car? I have access to a lift and a mighty vac, but its a pain in the *** to remove and re-install the master. I know you'd need one guy in the car and another at the connection, but this might be an option.
I know I have the McCleod adj. master and have problems sometimes getting into 3 & 4 under full throttle at high rpms. Maybe this is my problem.
THanks for the write up.
Brien </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be really tough to do the first two steps with the M/C in the car. Are you trying to bleed through the Slave or just do the M/C while in the car.
Honestly I think you'll be creating more work for yourself trying to do it in the car. But if you made a slave sim with a long enough tube to reach backup to the engine compartment, it might be doable. Even if you did this you'd have to constantly be refilling your resevior cause it holds so little fluid that it would be a lot of work. Plus you're taking the chance of spilling brake fluid on your engine bay paint, which will eat it up if left on there too long.
I've removed and reinstalled the M?C so many times it's like second nature, I can do it in 5 minutes. I really think bench bleeding will be your best bet and give you the best results. Good luck. If you do try it in the car let us know how it goes.
Mike
<strong> Any possiblities of doing this with the master installed in the car? I have access to a lift and a mighty vac, but its a pain in the *** to remove and re-install the master. I know you'd need one guy in the car and another at the connection, but this might be an option.
I know I have the McCleod adj. master and have problems sometimes getting into 3 & 4 under full throttle at high rpms. Maybe this is my problem.
THanks for the write up.
Brien </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It would be really tough to do the first two steps with the M/C in the car. Are you trying to bleed through the Slave or just do the M/C while in the car.
Honestly I think you'll be creating more work for yourself trying to do it in the car. But if you made a slave sim with a long enough tube to reach backup to the engine compartment, it might be doable. Even if you did this you'd have to constantly be refilling your resevior cause it holds so little fluid that it would be a lot of work. Plus you're taking the chance of spilling brake fluid on your engine bay paint, which will eat it up if left on there too long.
I've removed and reinstalled the M?C so many times it's like second nature, I can do it in 5 minutes. I really think bench bleeding will be your best bet and give you the best results. Good luck. If you do try it in the car let us know how it goes.
Mike
04-10-2003, 06:43 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Nice job on the writeup bushman. Im gonna have to try this with the stock hydrualics.
It sounds like your clutch was draggin before. Mine is. I jacked up the back tires off the ground and the tires would turn while in gear with the clutch depressed. The hydrualics really give the sychros a workout.
I can only imagine how smooth the tranny can shift if given a chance. Do you think powershifting will be possible now? <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />
It sounds like your clutch was draggin before. Mine is. I jacked up the back tires off the ground and the tires would turn while in gear with the clutch depressed. The hydrualics really give the sychros a workout.
I can only imagine how smooth the tranny can shift if given a chance. Do you think powershifting will be possible now? <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />
04-11-2003, 04:42 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! I installed the cartek set up last year, and been having problems shifting into 3rd gear @WOT ever since. So my question is what problems were you having with your clutch before the fix? Cause this problem is just killing me...
04-12-2003, 09:42 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! where did you get the green fitting that goes on the quick disconnect fitting on your kit? It lookes identical to the part that goes into the transimission. great write up. i am just a wondering where to get that one piece. thanks.
04-13-2003, 11:16 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong> I got mine off an old slave cylinder.Luckily I save old parts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TransAmJo, Slowhawk is dead on. Having a 2000 myself when replacing the clutch I upgraded my slave to the 02 slave. So that green peice is from the 00 slave.
Mike
<strong> I got mine off an old slave cylinder.Luckily I save old parts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TransAmJo, Slowhawk is dead on. Having a 2000 myself when replacing the clutch I upgraded my slave to the 02 slave. So that green peice is from the 00 slave.
Mike
04-14-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Well,My clutch worked fine yesterday,but today it is back to normal.At first there is like 2 inches of play then no play,then 2-3 inches of play again.Then when the car has about 10 miles it stays at the top with no play.Can't really complain since it shifts fine so far.Hope it holds for my track rental in 2 weeks.
04-14-2003, 10:14 PM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong> Well,My clutch worked fine yesterday,but today it is back to normal.At first there is like 2 inches of play then no play,then 2-3 inches of play again.Then when the car has about 10 miles it stays at the top with no play.Can't really complain since it shifts fine so far.Hope it holds for my track rental in 2 weeks. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Slow, Ironically enough I was having the same exact problem. Shifting was great but there was a little play in the pedal.
So I repeated the third step in my write-up(using the Mighty Vac with the rubber nipple) on the Resevior while in the car. It was very easy and pulled out some more air. I suspect that I had some air in the slave that worked it's way up. that's why it worked perfect for the first week and then developed some play.
At first I just hooked up the Mity vac and pumped the vacuum to 20psi. For like 10 minutes tiny bubbles were slowly pulled out. So I got the idea to pump the pedal just a little and that freed up some trapped air. I developed this rythem of 10 tiny pumps(just the few inches of slack) and then one pump all the way to the floor. I must have done this cycle like 40 times and each time a little air was freed up till finally no more was coming out. The pedal pressure was VERY stiff and consistant.
That's the great part about step three. It's simple to do with the M/C installed in the car. I'd suggest trying it again and see if that solves your problem. I'll post up if my pedal play comes back. The silver lining is since using this bleed method, I have not had one bad shift. I even got to do my first mid burnout 1-2 shift <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Let me know if you guys have any problems.
Mike
<small>[ April 14, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: buschman ]</small>
<strong> Well,My clutch worked fine yesterday,but today it is back to normal.At first there is like 2 inches of play then no play,then 2-3 inches of play again.Then when the car has about 10 miles it stays at the top with no play.Can't really complain since it shifts fine so far.Hope it holds for my track rental in 2 weeks. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Slow, Ironically enough I was having the same exact problem. Shifting was great but there was a little play in the pedal.
So I repeated the third step in my write-up(using the Mighty Vac with the rubber nipple) on the Resevior while in the car. It was very easy and pulled out some more air. I suspect that I had some air in the slave that worked it's way up. that's why it worked perfect for the first week and then developed some play.
At first I just hooked up the Mity vac and pumped the vacuum to 20psi. For like 10 minutes tiny bubbles were slowly pulled out. So I got the idea to pump the pedal just a little and that freed up some trapped air. I developed this rythem of 10 tiny pumps(just the few inches of slack) and then one pump all the way to the floor. I must have done this cycle like 40 times and each time a little air was freed up till finally no more was coming out. The pedal pressure was VERY stiff and consistant.
That's the great part about step three. It's simple to do with the M/C installed in the car. I'd suggest trying it again and see if that solves your problem. I'll post up if my pedal play comes back. The silver lining is since using this bleed method, I have not had one bad shift. I even got to do my first mid burnout 1-2 shift <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Let me know if you guys have any problems.
Mike
<small>[ April 14, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: buschman ]</small>
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Bad *** write up Buschman. I will try it this weekend. Hopefully this will finally fix my problem. The presssure bleeder I made from LS1camaro.net did not work. Hopefuilly this weekend I will be able to shift WOT. I have had the exact same problems you had. I spoke with you earlier about swithcing to the RAM master and it fixed my problem. Well it did for a few weeks then the same problem came back.
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by black99SS:
<strong> Bad *** write up Buschman. I will try it this weekend. Hopefully this will finally fix my problem. The presssure bleeder I made from LS1camaro.net did not work. Hopefuilly this weekend I will be able to shift WOT. I have had the exact same problems you had. I spoke with you earlier about swithcing to the RAM master and it fixed my problem. Well it did for a few weeks then the same problem came back. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude it's amazing how much air can get trapped inside there. When I saw how much air was released on the second step, I knew that was my problem all along. I truely hope this method cures your problems. Let me if you have any problems. Assuming you don't post up and let us know how those WOT shifts go. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<strong> Bad *** write up Buschman. I will try it this weekend. Hopefully this will finally fix my problem. The presssure bleeder I made from LS1camaro.net did not work. Hopefuilly this weekend I will be able to shift WOT. I have had the exact same problems you had. I spoke with you earlier about swithcing to the RAM master and it fixed my problem. Well it did for a few weeks then the same problem came back. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude it's amazing how much air can get trapped inside there. When I saw how much air was released on the second step, I knew that was my problem all along. I truely hope this method cures your problems. Let me if you have any problems. Assuming you don't post up and let us know how those WOT shifts go. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong> I'll try that.So you did it in the car with the line hooked up to the slave? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, I just unscrewed the cap, removed the moisture lock, and started bleeding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The pedal is extremely consistant now. I haven't driven her in a while, so like I said anything can happen a couple of weeks from now. But I'm hopeful that it will stay as consistant as it is now.
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<strong> I'll try that.So you did it in the car with the line hooked up to the slave? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, I just unscrewed the cap, removed the moisture lock, and started bleeding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> The pedal is extremely consistant now. I haven't driven her in a while, so like I said anything can happen a couple of weeks from now. But I'm hopeful that it will stay as consistant as it is now.
Mike
04-17-2003, 08:31 AM
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Son of a bisnatch. How in the hell is there this much air in my hydraulics? I could not wait until this weekend. I went and picked up the $30 Mighty Vac Tuesday after work. I started bleeding it from the top (system in car) just to see if there was any air in the system and a shitload came out. I wish I would have bought one a long time ago. I am pretty sure now that I left a lot of air in the system when I originally tried to bench bleed the system out of the car. I am going to remove the system Saturday and do it all over. I have done this so many times now I am a pro. It seems that the system is about %50 air. I have done it twice now after driving and it is alot better. I still can't shift WOT but now I know how much air is really in the system. Once the air stops coming to the top, I take it for a drive and do it again and a lot more air comes out. Finally this weekend I will be able to shift WOT. Thanks again.
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Re: McLeod Master cylinder FIXED!!!! Hi Mike, I'm working with Slowhawk on bleeding the clutches. We'll try it agin this weekend. We both had the same issues with the pedal play changing. He or I will post up again MOn. with an update. Thanks Again!
