army guys. questions
12-15-2012, 11:06 AM
#21
FM 7-21.13 , ch 4-16 ...
4-16. Military courtesy shows respect and reflects self-discipline. Consistent and proper military courtesy is an indicator of unit discipline, as well. Soldiers demonstrate courtesy in the way we address officers or NCOs of superior rank. Some other simple but visible signs of respect and self-discipline are as follows:
* When talking to an officer of superior rank, stand at attention until ordered otherwise.
* When you are dismissed, or when the officer departs, come to attention and salute.
* When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
* When an officer of superior rank enters a room, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls personnel in the room to attention but does not salute. A salute indoors is rendered only when reporting.
* When an NCO of superior rank enters the room, the first soldier to recognize the NCO calls the room to "At ease."
* Walk on the left of an officer or NCO of superior rank.
* When entering or exiting a vehicle, the junior ranking soldier is the first to enter, and the senior in rank is the first to exit.
* When outdoors and approached by an NCO, you greet the NCO by saying, "Good morning, Sergeant," for example.
* The first person who sees an officer enter a dining facility gives the order "At ease," unless a more senior officer is already present. Many units extend this courtesy to senior NCOs, also.
* When you hear the command "At ease" in a dining facility, remain seated, silent and continue eating unless directed otherwise.
4-16. Military courtesy shows respect and reflects self-discipline. Consistent and proper military courtesy is an indicator of unit discipline, as well. Soldiers demonstrate courtesy in the way we address officers or NCOs of superior rank. Some other simple but visible signs of respect and self-discipline are as follows:
* When talking to an officer of superior rank, stand at attention until ordered otherwise.
* When you are dismissed, or when the officer departs, come to attention and salute.
* When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
* When an officer of superior rank enters a room, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls personnel in the room to attention but does not salute. A salute indoors is rendered only when reporting.
* When an NCO of superior rank enters the room, the first soldier to recognize the NCO calls the room to "At ease."
* Walk on the left of an officer or NCO of superior rank.
* When entering or exiting a vehicle, the junior ranking soldier is the first to enter, and the senior in rank is the first to exit.
* When outdoors and approached by an NCO, you greet the NCO by saying, "Good morning, Sergeant," for example.
* The first person who sees an officer enter a dining facility gives the order "At ease," unless a more senior officer is already present. Many units extend this courtesy to senior NCOs, also.
* When you hear the command "At ease" in a dining facility, remain seated, silent and continue eating unless directed otherwise.
12-15-2012, 03:43 PM
#22
FM 7-21.13 , ch 4-16 ...
4-16. Military courtesy shows respect and reflects self-discipline. Consistent and proper military courtesy is an indicator of unit discipline, as well. Soldiers demonstrate courtesy in the way we address officers or NCOs of superior rank. Some other simple but visible signs of respect and self-discipline are as follows:
* When talking to an officer of superior rank, stand at attention until ordered otherwise.
* When you are dismissed, or when the officer departs, come to attention and salute.
* When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
* When an officer of superior rank enters a room, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls personnel in the room to attention but does not salute. A salute indoors is rendered only when reporting.
* When an NCO of superior rank enters the room, the first soldier to recognize the NCO calls the room to "At ease."
* Walk on the left of an officer or NCO of superior rank.
* When entering or exiting a vehicle, the junior ranking soldier is the first to enter, and the senior in rank is the first to exit.
* When outdoors and approached by an NCO, you greet the NCO by saying, "Good morning, Sergeant," for example.
* The first person who sees an officer enter a dining facility gives the order "At ease," unless a more senior officer is already present. Many units extend this courtesy to senior NCOs, also.
* When you hear the command "At ease" in a dining facility, remain seated, silent and continue eating unless directed otherwise.
4-16. Military courtesy shows respect and reflects self-discipline. Consistent and proper military courtesy is an indicator of unit discipline, as well. Soldiers demonstrate courtesy in the way we address officers or NCOs of superior rank. Some other simple but visible signs of respect and self-discipline are as follows:
* When talking to an officer of superior rank, stand at attention until ordered otherwise.
* When you are dismissed, or when the officer departs, come to attention and salute.
* When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
* When an officer of superior rank enters a room, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls personnel in the room to attention but does not salute. A salute indoors is rendered only when reporting.
* When an NCO of superior rank enters the room, the first soldier to recognize the NCO calls the room to "At ease."
* Walk on the left of an officer or NCO of superior rank.
* When entering or exiting a vehicle, the junior ranking soldier is the first to enter, and the senior in rank is the first to exit.
* When outdoors and approached by an NCO, you greet the NCO by saying, "Good morning, Sergeant," for example.
* The first person who sees an officer enter a dining facility gives the order "At ease," unless a more senior officer is already present. Many units extend this courtesy to senior NCOs, also.
* When you hear the command "At ease" in a dining facility, remain seated, silent and continue eating unless directed otherwise.
But really, if you are in a leadership position as an E-4 you should have Corporal.
Last edited by 409CISecondGen; 12-15-2012 at 03:50 PM.
12-15-2012, 10:10 PM
#23
some units arent MTOE'd CPLs... i know all aviation units are not, including the one im in now. so with that, im a E5(P) and a squad leader and i have a SPC and PFC as team leaders because thats all the soldiers that I have to fill the position... and they are in charge of a whole squad of PFCs. I am put in spots that a E6 and 7 gotta fill because we are a brand new unit.... I was even Plt Sgt for a while
12-22-2012, 08:39 AM
#25
I just glance over this thread. Ill say this that Spc is out of line. First off he has no busniess calling you and cursing you. He could have been on speaker phone and any fam memeber could have heard that. Second that spc must have a shitty nco above him to let him act that way. I was a SSG tank commander 2 tours iraq. I must say this. The ******** in garrison found themselves wanting when we deployed. Nobody played that siht in combat. Now i will tell you ths PFC Do not disrespect anybody no matter how bad you want to. Just hold your bearing and you will be ok. See I had it rough the first 8 months i was in due to poor leadership. But since my dad was SGM the same time i was in he help mentor me. The one thing he said was ( If you fly straight you wont be a private forever). I tighten up my shot group hit the books hit the boards ever chance i had and befor i knew it I was a E5 in 2 years. Seems like your a good person, make your way to your stripes and lead troopers the way the army has shown you and develope your leadership style off of that.
I fell like i just worte a counseling statement lmao. My grammaer sucks to....
I fell like i just worte a counseling statement lmao. My grammaer sucks to....
12-22-2012, 01:40 PM
#26
It would depend on how that unIT IS MTOE'd. Team Leaders could bE E-5 MTOE slots. and an E-4 in an E-5 position gives him the same power and authority as an e-5 because of position over rank.
He has every right to call you for accountability when ever he wants, just like as a squad leader I can call my soldiers to see what they are up to, where they are at, ect.....
He has every right to call you for accountability when ever he wants, just like as a squad leader I can call my soldiers to see what they are up to, where they are at, ect.....
12-22-2012, 09:57 PM
#27
I'll tell you like this bud. I'm an NCO and the communication in the military is strait ****. I am at Bragg and we deal with this all the time. Dont take it personal because the SPC was probably out of the loop and got butt hurt. Just let your SL know and he should take care of it. Just let those knuckle heads deal with it and get out when you can. I'll be out in two weeks and have a job making well over. The military cares for the numbers and not for the individuals!
12-22-2012, 10:11 PM
#28
FYI "Hardcoresoldier" MTOE or not. Your rank is your rank! Period. All an MTOE is, is a (MTOE)Mobilized Table of Orginization and Equipment. Which says what personal and equipment your authorized to take with you on deployment. FYI Hardcoresoldier is the dumbest name I have ever seen on here.
12-23-2012, 02:15 AM
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FYI "Hardcoresoldier" MTOE or not. Your rank is your rank! Period. All an MTOE is, is a (MTOE)Mobilized Table of Orginization and Equipment. Which says what personal and equipment your authorized to take with you on deployment. FYI Hardcoresoldier is the dumbest name I have ever seen on here.
12-23-2012, 07:12 PM
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Sounds like 2000Hawk#317 is one of those shitbags that needs to get out. anyone who has been in the military any length of time knows position over rank is real. So what you are saying is that an E-6 PSG does not outrank an E-6 or that E-7 1SG does not outrank an E-7? Everything you said was wrong, all of it. You might want to educate yourself before trying to sound smart. Remember, it is better to keep your mouth **** and have everyone think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
12-23-2012, 09:21 PM
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I had to deal with this when I was a PVT-SPC at bragg......even as a SPC they wanted me to address SPC team leaders as such but at that point I didnt give a FU** any more and told them to pound sand haha and most of the team leaders were guys i just got back from iraq with so it didnt go too far. You also have to remember you are OCONUS I remember when I first got to Korea I was a E4 full of airborne hooahness haha.....that didnt last too long. As roninsonic said just suck it up brother. Just remember someday you will be someones ******* TL not because you want to be but most likely because you are a new team leader and still alittle touchy and unexpirenced. I have had a TON of shitty leaders and a handful of very very great leaders in my 6 years of service, just learn what you can from both kinds of leaders and drive on.
12-23-2012, 10:01 PM
#36
yea Well make sure you allow the guys that want to tell you what to do to keep doing that. Make sure you give them all your info to counsel you properly too. Everyone is too affraid to say whats on their minds. Which leads to bad ideas coming to light because everyones cool with it. Speak up and stop trying to please everyone.
12-23-2012, 10:06 PM
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I wish I could post more detailed info on here but I cant due to it being one of my soldiers. But he was screwed over and he was an E-5 PSG, Jumpmaster, SLICC, all that hooah crap. And he still got screwed. And he was told that his rank and accomplishments ment nothing. Now he is being forced out of the military. One of the best guys you could work with. Leadership could care less what your rank is.
12-24-2012, 12:40 AM
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I do shake alot of stuff off like this. I "stay in my lane" and be respectful towards higher ranks. unfortunetly this SPC is always out of line... and "tucking collars" doesnt fix anything the last time I checked. This is the new ARMY not the old. But I do believe the old army was slightly better than this "new" army
12-24-2012, 08:17 AM
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I wish I could post more detailed info on here but I cant due to it being one of my soldiers. But he was screwed over and he was an E-5 PSG, Jumpmaster, SLICC, all that hooah crap. And he still got screwed. And he was told that his rank and accomplishments ment nothing. Now he is being forced out of the military. One of the best guys you could work with. Leadership could care less what your rank is.