2011 Mustang GT Dyno video (the car)
03-31-2010, 11:14 AM
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Do you honestly believe what you just said? Im pretty sure Ford knows exactly what they are doing with the new GT. They could have very easily outpowered the new SS but that would be pointless.. Its the same with GM, they dont want to up the power so much that they kill each other but to make them both competitive with each seeking a little edge over the other... It gives each company room to work with every time they change something without going too far
IMO thats not exactly true. i believe the 5.0 liter is tapped out at around 460 flywheel hp for a street legal OEM motor. Ford Is trying to one up the SS, but with business taking the front seat. if the SS loses 300 pounds in the alpha platform and raises the power to a 7 liter 505bhp z06, ford WILL NOT RESPOND.
Look, ford's business model saved them from going bankrupt and ruining millions of small investors like gm did... 'forgiving' common stock debt and bond debt. im not criticizing GM, but the point is ford will not step outside its profitability for ANYTHING.
the 2011 boss 302 is reported at aroung 435hp. there is a little wiggle room. now the aftermarket is quite another story IMO. there is plenty of non legal means of exceeding 435hp imo.
just my opinion.
03-31-2010, 11:19 AM
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im just being real here. the 5.0 is a fabulous ,world class small motor. it has tremendous technical innovation. but to compete seriously with a 6.2 liter bolt-on LS-3, it needs everything there is, and 8000 rpms. 550hp yates is the highest i have heard of for the fr500. there will be a few 550 bhp beasts out there. most will top out at 400-430 rwhp IMO. with 400-410 rwhp being most common.
03-31-2010, 11:24 AM
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2005 Mustang Showroom Stock with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) 13.2 @ 104 (260 rwhp)
2005 Mustang with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) with CAI/Tune and Factory Tires 12.7@108 (290 rwhp).
Anybody that thinks a 3600 lb Base Mustang GT with 378 rwhp isnt going to run 12.4's with a competent Driver is kidding themselves.
My 2007 Mustang GT (CAI/Tune Only) has a less than competent driver that weighs 280 lb and has been 12.9 @ 107 mph.
The Motortrend car had 3.73 gears so was either bouncing off the hard rpm limiter in 4th (111.5 mph @ 7000 rpm) or in the bottom of 5th in the traps.
3.73 is ideal for 4.3 0-60 since 60 comes up at 6934 rpm but 3.55 would work better for the strip with the 3.66 Low and 1.32 4th.
The 5.0 Airbox is identical to the 2010 4.6L at 800 cfm flow with an 86mm MAF. Its about as restricted relative to output as the 550 cfm air box on a 2005. The 80mm TB is likely adequate. A 101mm C&L Racer and an aggressive tune for 93 will push it to about 400-410 rwhp. After that you are going to have to move to the exhaust. If you go full exhaust including long-tubes, Offroad X-Pipe and Straight Through Mufflers you might gain 25-30 rwhp. So essentially you are looking you are looking at 425-440 rwhp with basic bolt-ons with maybe a few more if you want to get into pulleys and/or electric waterpumps.
A very high 11 on real street tires may be possible for a full bolt-on car but after that its going to require heavy lifting.
2005 Mustang with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) with CAI/Tune and Factory Tires 12.7@108 (290 rwhp).
Anybody that thinks a 3600 lb Base Mustang GT with 378 rwhp isnt going to run 12.4's with a competent Driver is kidding themselves.
My 2007 Mustang GT (CAI/Tune Only) has a less than competent driver that weighs 280 lb and has been 12.9 @ 107 mph.
The Motortrend car had 3.73 gears so was either bouncing off the hard rpm limiter in 4th (111.5 mph @ 7000 rpm) or in the bottom of 5th in the traps.
3.73 is ideal for 4.3 0-60 since 60 comes up at 6934 rpm but 3.55 would work better for the strip with the 3.66 Low and 1.32 4th.
The 5.0 Airbox is identical to the 2010 4.6L at 800 cfm flow with an 86mm MAF. Its about as restricted relative to output as the 550 cfm air box on a 2005. The 80mm TB is likely adequate. A 101mm C&L Racer and an aggressive tune for 93 will push it to about 400-410 rwhp. After that you are going to have to move to the exhaust. If you go full exhaust including long-tubes, Offroad X-Pipe and Straight Through Mufflers you might gain 25-30 rwhp. So essentially you are looking you are looking at 425-440 rwhp with basic bolt-ons with maybe a few more if you want to get into pulleys and/or electric waterpumps.
A very high 11 on real street tires may be possible for a full bolt-on car but after that its going to require heavy lifting.
Last edited by Tightwad; 03-31-2010 at 11:43 AM.
03-31-2010, 11:25 AM
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Didn't Evan Smith take a bone stock 02 SS Camaro (110% Stock) into the high 12's? All I'm saying is that the numbers for the new Stang are great, but over a decade newer technology, it still isn't a boat load quicker than a 01-02 LS1, and as someone previously mentioned, it's right on par with a lightly bolt on Fbody.
a lightly bolt on f-body DOES NOT MAKE 365-375 rwhp as the stang does stock. a lithly bolt on 5.0 liter will put the 4th gen back.
01-02 ls-1 is a beast in its day. it is 50-60 rwhp down (on average) to a 2011 5.0; thats a lot. il will report my times on 275 drag radials.
Evan hasnt run a 2011 in print yet. when he has we will all have more information. those drivers sucked bad.
if im off the limiter ill short shift 5th or get taller tires.
03-31-2010, 01:04 PM
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2005 Mustang Showroom Stock with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) 13.2 @ 104 (260 rwhp)
2005 Mustang with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) with CAI/Tune and Factory Tires 12.7@108 (290 rwhp).
Anybody that thinks a 3600 lb Base Mustang GT with 378 rwhp isnt going to run 12.4's with a competent Driver is kidding themselves.
My 2007 Mustang GT (CAI/Tune Only) has a less than competent driver that weighs 280 lb and has been 12.9 @ 107 mph.
The Motortrend car had 3.73 gears so was either bouncing off the hard rpm limiter in 4th (111.5 mph @ 7000 rpm) or in the bottom of 5th in the traps.
3.73 is ideal for 4.3 0-60 since 60 comes up at 6934 rpm but 3.55 would work better for the strip with the 3.66 Low and 1.32 4th.
The 5.0 Airbox is identical to the 2010 4.6L at 800 cfm flow with an 86mm MAF. Its about as restricted relative to output as the 550 cfm air box on a 2005. The 80mm TB is likely adequate. A 101mm C&L Racer and an aggressive tune for 93 will push it to about 400-410 rwhp. After that you are going to have to move to the exhaust. If you go full exhaust including long-tubes, Offroad X-Pipe and Straight Through Mufflers you might gain 25-30 rwhp. So essentially you are looking you are looking at 425-440 rwhp with basic bolt-ons with maybe a few more if you want to get into pulleys and/or electric waterpumps.
A very high 11 on real street tires may be possible for a full bolt-on car but after that its going to require heavy lifting.
2005 Mustang with 3500 lb Curb Weight (Premium) with CAI/Tune and Factory Tires 12.7@108 (290 rwhp).
Anybody that thinks a 3600 lb Base Mustang GT with 378 rwhp isnt going to run 12.4's with a competent Driver is kidding themselves.
My 2007 Mustang GT (CAI/Tune Only) has a less than competent driver that weighs 280 lb and has been 12.9 @ 107 mph.
The Motortrend car had 3.73 gears so was either bouncing off the hard rpm limiter in 4th (111.5 mph @ 7000 rpm) or in the bottom of 5th in the traps.
3.73 is ideal for 4.3 0-60 since 60 comes up at 6934 rpm but 3.55 would work better for the strip with the 3.66 Low and 1.32 4th.
The 5.0 Airbox is identical to the 2010 4.6L at 800 cfm flow with an 86mm MAF. Its about as restricted relative to output as the 550 cfm air box on a 2005. The 80mm TB is likely adequate. A 101mm C&L Racer and an aggressive tune for 93 will push it to about 400-410 rwhp. After that you are going to have to move to the exhaust. If you go full exhaust including long-tubes, Offroad X-Pipe and Straight Through Mufflers you might gain 25-30 rwhp. So essentially you are looking you are looking at 425-440 rwhp with basic bolt-ons with maybe a few more if you want to get into pulleys and/or electric waterpumps.
A very high 11 on real street tires may be possible for a full bolt-on car but after that its going to require heavy lifting.
The motor is going to be SAE certified soon. It is 412hp. Read up on it
The car has been tested twice. Once at a 13.0 with edmunds and once at a 12.8 with motor trend. Both with a 110 trap. Why would it be bouncing off of the rev limiter when it trapped 110? sounds like the 3.73 gears have it EXACTLY where it needs to be when crossing the line. The camaro is close to the same when crossing the line as well.
The camaro was tested by the same mags when it came out with 13.0 and a 110 trap. Motor trend also ran a 12.9 with the camaro when they ran it against a GT500. 110 trap.
And yeah I dont doubt Evan Smith will probably get a 12.4. Private owners have hit 12.5 and 12.6 with the camaro all ready. As soon as Evan runs the car it will be the norm time for the GT whatever he runs and it will be crushing the camaro....it is laughable. Thats like me saying the camaro spanks the new mustang because private owners have hit 12.5 and edmunds got a 13.0....stupid fanboy logic.
And what do you mean by competent drivers? I wouldnt call Evan Smith a competent driver...I would call him one of the best in the world. The drivers for edmunds, motor trend etc...are competent drivers and actually probably better than the average person...so this argument is silly as well.
Nice 440rwp estimate. So it is going to make more RWHP than a full bolt on and exhaust LS3 camaro? These are in the 42x rwhp range at best. The day the new mustang makes 440 rwhp on a properly calibrated mustang dyno with nothing but exhaust and bolt ons, is the day I sell my camaro and buy one.
Just for arguments sake...if they are 370rwhp stock...you are saying 70rwhp from exhaust and bolt ons....keep on tokin' my friend. Do you know this car all ready comes with factory mid length headers? I am sure some *** wipe may hit this on some bogus dyno run or lie of some kind...but it sure as hell wont be the norm.
I would guess 425rwhp max MUSTANG DYNO with doing everything except internals.
Last edited by UltraZLS1; 03-31-2010 at 01:27 PM.
03-31-2010, 01:31 PM
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a lightly bolt on f-body DOES NOT MAKE 365-375 rwhp as the stang does stock. a lithly bolt on 5.0 liter will put the 4th gen back.
01-02 ls-1 is a beast in its day. it is 50-60 rwhp down (on average) to a 2011 5.0; thats a lot. il will report my times on 275 drag radials.
Evan hasnt run a 2011 in print yet. when he has we will all have more information. those drivers sucked bad.
if im off the limiter ill short shift 5th or get taller tires.
01-02 ls-1 is a beast in its day. it is 50-60 rwhp down (on average) to a 2011 5.0; thats a lot. il will report my times on 275 drag radials.
Evan hasnt run a 2011 in print yet. when he has we will all have more information. those drivers sucked bad.
if im off the limiter ill short shift 5th or get taller tires.
Please dont tell me you are going to take his times as the norm. If this was the case the 4th gen f-body is a 12.89 car all day long
The average mag test is the perfect example of what most drivers can achieve. You really think test drivers for these magazines arent at least as competent as the average person?
And from the way the article was humping the **** out of the mustang...you think they just ran it a couple times with some half assed driver and called it good? No...they stayed until they beat the camaros 12.9.It must not have been that easy either...both cars trap the same.
They also ran a 4.3 0-60...THIS DOESNT REQUIRE A GOOD LAUNCH? I think they could drive just fine. Or are you really going to argue with me that a 4.3 0-60 doesnt require a good driver in this car? I sure hope you are smarter than that.
Last edited by UltraZLS1; 03-31-2010 at 01:38 PM.
03-31-2010, 01:52 PM
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What speed is max for a new SS in 4th gear? I know I wouldn't want to be crossing the finish line bouncing off the limiter. Maybe the 3.55s are a better gear for the 1/4.
03-31-2010, 01:55 PM
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Actually, I too can't wait for Evan Smith to drive it.
That will show you the best time the car has the ability to run in stock form, and you can rule out driver error.
That will show you the best time the car has the ability to run in stock form, and you can rule out driver error.
03-31-2010, 02:05 PM
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I agree with you, and I will only use Evan's time as a "in perfect condition possible" scenario.
I remember when Ranger ran the C6 ZO6 and busted off an incredible 10 second pass and all the Homer's were coming out of the wood work stating that they were all 10 second cars.
I remember when Ranger ran the C6 ZO6 and busted off an incredible 10 second pass and all the Homer's were coming out of the wood work stating that they were all 10 second cars.
