94 Supra with 421 stroker smallblock swap
12-20-2011, 01:26 PM
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OP, come back with a real motor setup instead of something that belongs in an iroc, lose the mullet and maybe you would get more respect.
12-20-2011, 05:27 PM
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524 - 30 lbs for a single turbo conversion is *gasp* 496? pretty close to 480 like i said. and there are a few other things that are removed when doing a single conversion that arent attached to the plumbing of the turbos themselves.
and going by a whole bunch of info i've seen, SBC weigh in at 575 to start. add in forged internals and whatnot and you get my point.
GM quotes their ZZ4 SBC "turn key" at 511lbs, thats with a forged steel crank. Thats generally the weight of an iron block/al head SBC...
edit, also. you linked to a hybrid forum and expect accuracy?
for starters they are showing a 6spd weighing nearly 160 lbs, try looking up the supra hard top registry. people have weighed every single part capable of being removed from the car, and its been done for a while. i wouldn't trust any weights listed by a guy trying to sell stuff wholesale who wants to make sure he makes an extra dime off shipping either.
12-20-2011, 08:03 PM
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Yes, complete long block without turbos or piping. Add those and you get my original estimate of 600lbs...
that is with the turbos and piping.... why are you adding it twice
What 30lbs are you removing from the long block?
the weight of the stock twins is 105 lbs, versus a regular 74mm single setup that only weighs 75 lbs on average
Hmm, what info have you seen?
GM quotes their ZZ4 SBC "turn key" at 511lbs, thats with a forged steel crank. Thats generally the weight of an iron block/al head SBC...
odd, ive seen different, plus you have added weight on the built motor dont you
Hybrid Z forum, as in the Nissan/datsun Z. Its an engine swap forum from those cars...
yeah, a hybrid z forum.. for nissan and datsun, nothing to do with toyota or supras oddly enough.
You may need to scroll down the thread, they have a weighed picture posted. Not sure what you're talking about a guy selling stuff for...
last post that your link takes it to
that is with the turbos and piping.... why are you adding it twice
What 30lbs are you removing from the long block?
the weight of the stock twins is 105 lbs, versus a regular 74mm single setup that only weighs 75 lbs on average
Hmm, what info have you seen?
GM quotes their ZZ4 SBC "turn key" at 511lbs, thats with a forged steel crank. Thats generally the weight of an iron block/al head SBC...
odd, ive seen different, plus you have added weight on the built motor dont you
Hybrid Z forum, as in the Nissan/datsun Z. Its an engine swap forum from those cars...
yeah, a hybrid z forum.. for nissan and datsun, nothing to do with toyota or supras oddly enough.
You may need to scroll down the thread, they have a weighed picture posted. Not sure what you're talking about a guy selling stuff for...
last post that your link takes it to
12-20-2011, 09:02 PM
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Don't let dingle berry AKA kracin hijack your thread. Sexy car and people ask why you put a sbc in it. lol gm did something right for however many years didn't they. Clean car now get some new videos up
12-21-2011, 07:59 AM
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sure, gm did something right... for their cars, doesn't mean op did something right by putting that in there.
honda did something right by making some god damn nice engines for lawn mowers, snow blowers, pressure washers, generators... but putting them in your camaro just because honda did something right X years ago doesn't make it smart.
12-21-2011, 09:29 AM
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12-21-2011, 11:33 AM
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Badass swap. If the 2JZ was gods gift to earth, why weren't they around longer?
kracin, GTFO of this guys thread and stop being a troll. Go beat off in your supra-throne closet and never come out.
kracin, GTFO of this guys thread and stop being a troll. Go beat off in your supra-throne closet and never come out.
12-21-2011, 02:54 PM
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I wasn't aware that sequential turbos, sequential injection and sequential ignition were available in the early 90s...
12-21-2011, 03:01 PM
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carb vs EFI
1900's didn't have turbochargers, forged crank, sequential forced induction systems, transmissions capable of holding 1000hp in passenger cars from the factory. not only that but you are talking about a an DOHC motor vs pushrod.
******* rednecks. not surprised though, i was expecting something more like "durrhurr its just a little I6, bigger is better durrhurr"
the 2jz was definately found in cars for a long time as well, and toyota has used other platforms and improved upon them constantly which is why the same engine code doesn't stick around forever. just a matter of technology getting better, too bad the guy before you posting about "1900s" tech has no clue what tech actually is, he still thinks an american v8 is the best v8 lol. you would be better off putting a mercedes v8 in there, way better.
12-21-2011, 03:47 PM
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not butt hurt, just wondering how it is logical to think it is an improvement, typically when you do an engine swap you put something better in the car, not worse
that camaro was pretty cool, a much nicer build than some supras even had, but the guy wanted a ridiculous amount on it
wow, thanks for the incredibly redneck response... lol!
carb vs EFI
1900's didn't have turbochargers, forged crank, sequential forced induction systems, transmissions capable of holding 1000hp in passenger cars from the factory. not only that but you are talking about a an DOHC motor vs pushrod.
******* rednecks. not surprised though, i was expecting something more like "durrhurr its just a little I6, bigger is better durrhurr"
why isn't the sbc found in production cars anymore? heres food for though, for the length of time that the sbc of this exact style was found in cars, you'd think they could have improved on it, but no, it stuck around for so long with no changes.
the 2jz was definately found in cars for a long time as well, and toyota has used other platforms and improved upon them constantly which is why the same engine code doesn't stick around forever. just a matter of technology getting better, too bad the guy before you posting about "1900s" tech has no clue what tech actually is, he still thinks an american v8 is the best v8 lol. you would be better off putting a mercedes v8 in there, way better.
that camaro was pretty cool, a much nicer build than some supras even had, but the guy wanted a ridiculous amount on it
wow, thanks for the incredibly redneck response... lol!
carb vs EFI
1900's didn't have turbochargers, forged crank, sequential forced induction systems, transmissions capable of holding 1000hp in passenger cars from the factory. not only that but you are talking about a an DOHC motor vs pushrod.
******* rednecks. not surprised though, i was expecting something more like "durrhurr its just a little I6, bigger is better durrhurr"
why isn't the sbc found in production cars anymore? heres food for though, for the length of time that the sbc of this exact style was found in cars, you'd think they could have improved on it, but no, it stuck around for so long with no changes.
the 2jz was definately found in cars for a long time as well, and toyota has used other platforms and improved upon them constantly which is why the same engine code doesn't stick around forever. just a matter of technology getting better, too bad the guy before you posting about "1900s" tech has no clue what tech actually is, he still thinks an american v8 is the best v8 lol. you would be better off putting a mercedes v8 in there, way better.
12-21-2011, 04:01 PM
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I don't recall stating anything about the american V8 being the best of anything. Obviously you're more of an authority than everyone else and with that sometimes comes a certain level of maturity, not in your case though since you need to resort to personal insults. Good luck with your internet war! durrhurr durhurrr...
although going to school at some point in your life or knowing what you're talking about would have helped you when you tried to exclaim how an early 90's motor capable of 900hp unopened is early 1900's technology... and i admit you never said american v8's were the best, but the way you are trying to claim it is as good as or better than a 2jz-gte, you might as well think that
i'll toss one more insult out since you are so fond of them..
what an idiotic thing to say.
12-21-2011, 05:21 PM
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Please use to learn multi-quote.
What have you seen? That is typical (if not higher than normal) weight.
Not sure how it works in your world, but in our SBC world aftermarket stuff is usually lighter than factory, so a "built motor" is often lighter than stock...
Actually everything to do with the 2JZ, that is an engine swap forum, the 2JZ is a relatively common swap (or at least pondered on and then dropped for a lighter/smaller/cheaper/simpler LSx 
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LMAO...
I think you are confusing "advanced" with factory over built, and simple (yet ridiculously easy to get power out of) with "shitty".
We all know the 2JZ can take a ton of peak power with stock internals (yippie!) but what does that really matter? You have to mod everything else, you still have to spend big money, so who cares?
And GM never set out to create an "advanced" engine when making the SBC, its beauty is in its simplicity (and low mass and weight with an aluminum block). You can buy off the shelf stuff from summit, install it in your garage yourself and make stupid power on 87 pump gas.
Im not saying either is better, they are very different engines, but to call the SBC shitty is plain dumb.
Even if it makes as much power (with a better powerband) and comes in around the same weight, Id say thats not too bad for an "old motor"
Did you really just... hp/l really?....
You can buy a cheap RC car today that makes more HP/L than a 2JZ, does that mean the RC engine is more advanced, and the 2JZ is **** in comparison? HP/L is ricer math at its finest, peak HP not being useful in many cases (power under the curve is what matters) and displacement shows nothing, its weight and size that matter.
Out of two engines that both make the same power, would you rather have a heavier one with less displacement, or a lighter one with more displacement? One makes more hp/l, the other make more hp/weight.
Its not about who did what "right", its about a compact, reliable engine that can make gobs of power and torque very easily. This is not to say the 2JZ can't, so don't give yourself an ulcer just yet.
Hopefully you don't happen to stumble upon all the other SBC/LSx swapped Supras on the interwebs, you'll surely have a heart attack...
Originally Posted by kracin
odd, ive seen different, plus you have added weight on the built motor dont you
Not sure how it works in your world, but in our SBC world aftermarket stuff is usually lighter than factory, so a "built motor" is often lighter than stock...
yeah, a hybrid z forum.. for nissan and datsun, nothing to do with toyota or supras oddly enough.
)I think you are confusing "advanced" with factory over built, and simple (yet ridiculously easy to get power out of) with "shitty".
We all know the 2JZ can take a ton of peak power with stock internals (yippie!) but what does that really matter? You have to mod everything else, you still have to spend big money, so who cares?
And GM never set out to create an "advanced" engine when making the SBC, its beauty is in its simplicity (and low mass and weight with an aluminum block). You can buy off the shelf stuff from summit, install it in your garage yourself and make stupid power on 87 pump gas.
Im not saying either is better, they are very different engines, but to call the SBC shitty is plain dumb.
Even if it makes as much power (with a better powerband) and comes in around the same weight, Id say thats not too bad for an "old motor"
that makes more hp and torque per liter by a long margin without even needing to be cracked open....
You can buy a cheap RC car today that makes more HP/L than a 2JZ, does that mean the RC engine is more advanced, and the 2JZ is **** in comparison? HP/L is ricer math at its finest, peak HP not being useful in many cases (power under the curve is what matters) and displacement shows nothing, its weight and size that matter.
Out of two engines that both make the same power, would you rather have a heavier one with less displacement, or a lighter one with more displacement? One makes more hp/l, the other make more hp/weight.
sure, gm did something right... for their cars, doesn't mean op did something right by putting that in there.
Hopefully you don't happen to stumble upon all the other SBC/LSx swapped Supras on the interwebs, you'll surely have a heart attack...