bill12690

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5th gens are fat pigs. as said, even the 4th gens have some weight to them.

1ltcap

a 67 mustang weighed in around 3200#. the shelby now is 3800 and change. the gt is 3600and change. i don't think those are lightweights.

perhaps if you give up all the irs, and groovy active suspension stuff, you too could be lighter.

obZidian

iTrader: (2)

WOW.... Eric might be an accomplished racer on the road course but shifting fast/hard is something that eludes him.

firebird99

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That's funny when an unbiased person that knoed both parties steps in and rains on the party. We all know a car is only as fast as its driver.

jsmith564

Ford BOSS ftw!!!!! Hell with the new camaro

DVS99TRANS

iTrader: (7)

Going to be another to say the 5th Gens are way to heavy and not suprised the Boss won. But I'm going to somewhat jump on the ol' 03-04 Cobra bandwagon. Throw a Whipple on the ZL1 which its more than capable of handling. That should destroy just about everything it comes across.

MasterTomos

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I really like that the issue of weight is being discussed here, because nobody has talked about it much before when comparing the new mustang to the 5th gen. It all makes sense now.

Also, i now know that if you buy a cheaper car, and modify it, it can be faster than cars that cost more money. Gadzooks! Who would have thought?

m_liel

Damn that's too bad.

Build #1

Live axle..... wont corner over bumps.....but all the sudden who cares , right? I think the heavy Camaro does good with a 15 year old motor. If Chevrolet had a company like Shelby that would back them they would have something too.

1ltcap

i dub thee Captain Obvious.

1ltcap

yea, thee's no way that the springs/struts on the side hitting the bump can or will absorb the shock, and travel over it, without taking the other side with it.

also, although these aren't the cars we're talking about here./......i will once again steer you towards the continental tire challenge. you may like to note that the camaros aren't dominating the mustangs, as one would imagine. even being lighter, with bigger engines, better balanced, and with IRS

on the other hand, the beemers are dominating BOTH of the previously mentioned cars right now.

Build #1

Here is a reason.
Here is the Camaro safety rating.....

http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2012/...Safety-Ratings

Here is the Mustangs safety rating....
http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2012/...Safety-Ratings

firebird99

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If you can take the time to make an account and come on here to toot your own horn but not respond to any of the comments kinda makes you a lil shady hell even your buddy called you out about your statement and you have nothing to say? Until then I call bs on the mods or your supposed power level...

Blk98Vert

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I dont see anything shocking about this, all comes down to weight

1ltcap

wow.....that's pretty weak, having to resort to safety ratings......

Build #1

Well Buddy, Its in direct relation to the weight differences of the two cars. I knew from a comment like that there would be a Mustang in the avatar. LOL The Mustang boys finally get a decent motor and they think we forgot about waxing their *** for the last 15 years, well more like 20. Sorry if I pissed off any of my Ford buddies but theres always one that has to be smart.

BOBS99SS

iTrader: (2)

Not surprised, also not surprised over every comment in this thread lol, imo this is like every other zl1 thread i have ever opened lol,nice cars though, whites my color

Build #1

LOL, Its all your fault! I would rather it be lighter like the Mustang and be little less safe. The Fox body is still the ultimate light weight.

bill12690

iTrader: (4)

congrats mustang guys, your faster. fanboys get butthurt, or whatever, its always happened on one side or the other. If you think that weight is just now being brought up, I disagree. I think it's a long known thing that the 5th gens are just too heavy. Hell, maybe some people thought the mustang would be heavier by now..

1ltcap

they're both much much heavier than their 60's counterparts. the mustangs were quicker back then too.

that said, i watched the the lead mustang have virtually no trouble pulling out on the lead camaro at mid ohio. he held excellent lines in the turns, as did the camaro, and was easily able to open up some space on the short straights. and this is with the camaro weighing approx. 200# less than the mustang, having a larger displacement engine, being better balanced, and having that good old independent rear suspension.