25psi

Man you domestic people have more exuses than a no arm man at a bench pressing contest.


For your info, I have run at least 4 z06's. I lost to two of them and won agianst the other. Like I said countless of other times, that was on a complete stock motor. With an upgraded turbo and fuel. now htat the motor is built, I should have no problems hitting mid to low 10,s.

JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
Man you domestic people have more exuses than a no arm man at a bench pressing contest.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> How ironic is this statement? You're one to talk! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
For your info, I have run at least 4 z06's. I lost to two of them and won agianst the other. Like I said countless of other times, that was on a complete stock motor.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm..... so 2+1=4 interesting.

So,you ran a ZO6 with just an upgraded turbo and won?? <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />

Maybe you should have made it more aware to the ZO6 owner that you were actually trying to race.

<small>[ April 12, 2003, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: JF WS6 ]</small>

The Kiss Guy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
<strong> Man you domestic people have more exuses than a no arm man at a bench pressing contest.


For your info, I have run at least 4 z06's. I lost to two of them and won agianst the other. Like I said countless of other times, that was on a complete stock motor. With an upgraded turbo and fuel. now htat the motor is built, I should have no problems hitting mid to low 10,s. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This dork is still here? <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

Sears

Could some of you keep the personal attacks to a minimum and back up your smack with some facts? No trying to be an *** just keeping the peace.

Justin

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
<strong> Lets see, Americrap rules hey. First of all, the new mustang and an oler gn are the only ones right now that can compete with the supra in all out hp. You can not make 7-900 on your stock setup. Meaning stock block.

Why is it that more and more domestic companies are leaning toward smaller dispacement motors? Is it becuase they see what the european and japanese markets have done in the last 5-10 years.

If you have mot noticed, there are more and more 4cyl. pushing the same amount of hp that your cars do stock. From more half the displacement and twice the displacement.

Just face it, the days of big motors and huge displacement is over. The fact that someone would even make a topic of(should we be scared of evo8) shows your fear.

Now that Japanese tuners are bringing there cars over here, there is more of a competition going on. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Cheesedick, check out this little photo I've included.
<img src="http://hitman.cz28.com/images/5113.jpg" alt=" - " />

870 hp OFF the juice. On the Juice? Maybe your little buddy Marko might find out one day, as I don't live to terribly far from Chicago... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> The block? 1972 RB block out of an Imperial. The Car? 1968 Plymouth Road Runner. 3680 lbs with driver, and it's still suspended with leaf springs. And yes, I do street drive it.

American Iron RULES! And it ALWAYS WILL...

<small>[ April 13, 2003, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: Hitman#1 ]</small>

JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LEO:
[qb] <img src="http://hitman.cz28.com/images/5113.jpg" alt=" - " />

870 hp OFF the juice. On the Juice? Maybe your little buddy Marko might find out one day, as I don't live to terribly far from Chicago...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yeah.... Nearly 900 HP naturally aspirated. Show me a freakin' import that can make that claim! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ April 13, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: JF WS6 ]</small>

25psi

Look. I give respect to you so called domesticraps. For they are usually faster. But, as soon as one of your cars gets his *** handed to him, you have more excuses then anyone I know.

I know that an import can't make 900hp all motor. So whats your point if they do it turbo, nitrous, blower whatever. They still do it. How much is that motor anyway? I would say over 15,000. For that much, you can have a 10 second civic, supra, rx7, mr2 whatever.

And for you Leo, if your the person I think you are. Didn't a person by the name of Todd crack some of your boys before. And didn't i crack some of yor boys to.

I think you know who I am. I associate myself with some of the people you know to. If you want proof. Why dont you ask Nick and them, what happened that day when I ran that supercharged mustang cobra, and that z06.

Mike 01WS6

Alright 25PSI.....your comments are almost as ignorant as you are wrong. There is nothing more dangerous in the world than an ignorant person with an opinion. You've obviously shown that. To say that the world of large cubic inch engines is over is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Many manufacturers have come out with engines that at least double your displacment in the past couple of years. GM has come out with several including the 8.1 Liter(now that is an enormous engine.) Dodge increased the displacement of its viper to 505cu in(8.3L). And ford has kept it's displacement on its V8 not making it any smaller. There must have been a reason for that(power), and forging it out was good too. And OMG, can't believe you are trying to call us the excuse makers. I was going to race a turboed out DSM (AWD) last night but he told me that he had to go home and change his heavy wheels out for some lighter ones. I couldn't believe this guy; he comes up to me taunting and wanting a race and he won't even run because of a handycap. I told him that if your worried about the weight of your wheels on the street the you either have a serious confidence problem or a power problem. I have never heard so many excuses from an automotive group than you jap-branders. The funny thing is, is that you guys believe it is a totally even match when you race a 1000hp import against a 600hp american car. That show your guys' altered perception of mind and again shows your ignorance. Not trying to create flames here but they seem to come natural on the subject.

LEO

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25 psi, I remember Todd's car it was quick back in the day. I'm sure he's beaten some of my friends and I recall beating him in my LT1. I have alot of respect for Todd's car it was well built and quick. I just don't appreciate people getting on here and acting like trolls or instigating BS. I don't hide behind the keyboard with some goofy handle. I'm not sure who you are, but I could care less. So keep your name a secret and keep on typin', I enjoy a good laugh.

25psi

I'm not ashamed to tell you who I am. This is Chris. I has the turbo prelude back in the day. I now have the mr2 that is fully built. If you want to know actual facts about the car just ask some of the people you talk to, like Nick and others. Mike Pabone also knows my car.
I know you had a quick car back in the day, cuz I ran you on the freeway when you had an exhaust leak.

I know 90 percent of the imports or slow as hell. But the ones that are, are not given respect. Thats all I'm trying to say.

Oh, Leo. you might know me better as the turbo berretta. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

titanium barchetta

All I can say is that BW completely OWNED this post! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Which would explain why he hasn't posted since.......LEO, you got schooled! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Hitman#1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
Look. I give respect to you so called domesticraps. Then why call them "domesticraps"? For they are usually faster. Where I come from, they're ALWAYS faster. But, as soon as one of your cars gets his *** handed to him, you have more excuses then anyone I know. I don't have to make excuses, because I NEVER LOSE.

I know that an import can't make 900hp all motor. That's for goddamn sure. So whats your point if they do it turbo, nitrous, blower whatever. Or a combination of a few of them, LOL! They still do it. How much is that motor anyway? I would say over 15,000. For that much, you can have a 10 second civic, supra, rx7, mr2 whatever. Or a sub 10 second aircraft carrier... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude, the only reason I even bothered responding to your inane blathering is you were trying to insinuate that a domestic block couldn't handle the same power that some shitty POOPRA engine could. I think I've proved you wrong. Now take your sorry <img src="http://www.club3g.com/members/blackbird/Smiles/owned.gif" alt=" - " /> *** out of here, and go crawl back under the rock from whence you came. Ricers...whatever <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

<small>[ April 13, 2003, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Hitman#1 ]</small>

LEO

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<img src="http://hitman.cz28.com/images/5113.jpg" alt=" - " />

870 hp OFF the juice. On the Juice? Maybe your little buddy Marko might find out one day, as I don't live to terribly far from Chicago... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> The block? 1972 RB block out of an Imperial. The Car? 1968 Plymouth Road Runner. 3680 lbs with driver, and it's still suspended with leaf springs. And yes, I do street drive it.

American Iron RULES! And it ALWAYS WILL... [/QB][/QUOTE]
Amen to that!!! <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong> Could some of you keep the personal attacks to a minimum and back up your smack with some facts? No trying to be an *** just keeping the peace.

Justin </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Justin, no offense, but if there's anyone that should be backing up "smack talk" it's the guy that says anything produced in the USA can't compete with Japanese cars. Nearly EVERY post he makes is an attack on domestic vehicles. Anyone who does this on a domestic board can't be considered anything but a TROLL.

Personally I'd love for him to back up some of his smack talk since he thinks his little Japanese toy car is unstoppable.

White Fire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BW:
<strong> no doubt it's an LS1 style.
but it's not a LS1 production block that came in. it's a Katech C5R motor.

there is the bowtie block from gm for the 4.3s, and what if i put it in my syclone. my stock heads, and everything else will bolt up to it. does that make it the stock syclone motor?

pretty much all the fast buicks are the 4.1 blocks and cranks... does this mean it's a GN motor, does this mean the 3.8l and the 4.1 are the same?

most of the fast Rx7s use a tri rotor 20b, not the factory 13b, but its pretty much the same. does this mean the 13b, or 20b is the same?

the reallly fast GTRs are the Rb30 motors, not the same RB26s, but its pretty much the same, does this mean the rb26 and the rb30 are the same?

It is the design of the motor, which is unchanged when you compared the lingenfelter's 427 TT and a 346 LS1 side by side.

if the design is not changed, then why spend all the money on it..... is it because it's not the same design and is a lot stronger then the OEM LS1 block?

all i'm trying to say, is the post were you said the LS-1 Might acutally be faster, where it's not even an LS-1. it's a racing motor that has a few things the same as a factory motor that came in your car. where as the supra still uses the factory OEM 2jz block. i'm sure supra owners could get something, or use something else. but then it wouldnt really be a supra. it would be a supra body with some other motor in it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BW, this isn't worth arguing anymore. The debate over whether or not the c5-r is an ls1 has been debated before. Point is this, an LS-1 style motor (does that make you happy?) might be faster then a supra? To me it's an LS1 because it shares design features that are related only to the Gen III engine. To you, it's not an LS1 because it doesn't use stock block. The TT vette has a gen III engine, period and it beats most any supra, not to mention it runs on pump gas when racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> . Supra's are awesome cars but this worshipping they receive is a little ridiculous. Amazing things can happen when you run 30 lbs of boost <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Too me, it would be more impressive for a supra to run on pump gas and do those times. I am sure it has happened somewhere <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

BW

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by White Fire:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BW:
<strong> no doubt it's an LS1 style.
but it's not a LS1 production block that came in. it's a Katech C5R motor.

there is the bowtie block from gm for the 4.3s, and what if i put it in my syclone. my stock heads, and everything else will bolt up to it. does that make it the stock syclone motor?

pretty much all the fast buicks are the 4.1 blocks and cranks... does this mean it's a GN motor, does this mean the 3.8l and the 4.1 are the same?

most of the fast Rx7s use a tri rotor 20b, not the factory 13b, but its pretty much the same. does this mean the 13b, or 20b is the same?

the reallly fast GTRs are the Rb30 motors, not the same RB26s, but its pretty much the same, does this mean the rb26 and the rb30 are the same?

It is the design of the motor, which is unchanged when you compared the lingenfelter's 427 TT and a 346 LS1 side by side.

if the design is not changed, then why spend all the money on it..... is it because it's not the same design and is a lot stronger then the OEM LS1 block?

all i'm trying to say, is the post were you said the LS-1 Might acutally be faster, where it's not even an LS-1. it's a racing motor that has a few things the same as a factory motor that came in your car. where as the supra still uses the factory OEM 2jz block. i'm sure supra owners could get something, or use something else. but then it wouldnt really be a supra. it would be a supra body with some other motor in it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BW, this isn't worth arguing anymore. The debate over whether or not the c5-r is an ls1 has been debated before. Point is this, an LS-1 style motor (does that make you happy?) might be faster then a supra? To me it's an LS1 because it shares design features that are related only to the Gen III engine. To you, it's not an LS1 because it doesn't use stock block. The TT vette has a gen III engine, period and it beats most any supra, not to mention it runs on pump gas when racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> . Supra's are awesome cars but this worshipping they receive is a little ridiculous. Amazing things can happen when you run 30 lbs of boost <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Too me, it would be more impressive for a supra to run on pump gas and do those times. I am sure it has happened somewhere <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">they sell 104 at the pump by me, so it is pump gas....


i'd like to see an fbody run fast on a real street tire, not a slick. since they are infact street cars.......

and btw, its not faster then the stock oem 2jzgte. 8.4 @ 167 on a BFG, if you havent heard.

still waiting to see the ls1's get into the high 6s at 210 mph like the OEM 2jz block found in your 93-98 supra.

titanium barchetta

Preach on brotha! <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />

LEO

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I can't believe I've been arguing with you Chris. Well - now that I think about it, you always were a little different. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> I guess it's true, arguing on the Net is like the Special Olympics.

<small>[ April 14, 2003, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: LEO ]</small>

White Fire

Like I said before BW, MOST supras, not all of them. It is common knowledge that the stock supra block is ungodly strong, but what does this prove? . Your whole stock block argument is worthless, sounds like a excuse more then an argument. So what the stock block is built? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Does that make you feel better about yourself that an LS1's aren't as internally strong stock as a supra? Given time, an LS-1 will be right with the supra, with the stock block. Your supra humping tactics are really pathetic. I admit supra's are fast as hell and can dominate, as I respect any fast car, but you are sad. From a different post I believe you said "LS-what", that just shows ignorance and stupidity.

<small>[ April 14, 2003, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: White Fire ]</small>

JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BW:
<strong>
still waiting to see the ls1's get into the high 6s at 210 mph like the OEM 2jz block found in your 93-98 supra. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And was this 6 second time achieved only a few years after this engine was available?

It's only fair to give the Gen III based engines the same amount of development time to progress that this import 6 banger has had.

There are plenty of domestic V8 based carbureted engines capable of running similar times in the right platform (and without relying on a monster power adder for the bulk of the power I might add) - what's so hard about imagining a better designed, more technologically advanced series of engines being able to do the same or better in due time? You don't see the real expanse of what an engine platform can do until quite a few years after it's been available to develop for.