Europe Vs. America
01-03-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
50/50 weight distribution is not always ideal for racing. It sounds good, but in actuallity it isnt.
What about aerodynamics, gearing and power under the curve? You said you would like to race a Z06 with similar HP, stock Z06's have run low 11's @ 125+mph with about 450rwhp from the factory. What has your 350Z run? 
01-03-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fastkars.com
So your saying having more weight in the front is ideal for racing??? What about aerodynamics, gearing and power under the curve? You said you would like to race a Z06 with similar HP, stock Z06's have run low 11's @ 125+mph with about 450rwhp from the factory. What has your 350Z run?
What about aerodynamics, gearing and power under the curve? You said you would like to race a Z06 with similar HP, stock Z06's have run low 11's @ 125+mph with about 450rwhp from the factory. What has your 350Z run?My best time was a 12.2 at 119mph. That was with the stock exhaust. My car is currently in the shop right now, but I should have it back within 2 weeks. Its having the longblock built along with a larger twin turbo kit. I'm hopeing for 700rwhp with 18-20psi.
01-03-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Never said any. When you have ignorant people stating that a stock 03 cobra can pull a turbo 350z, what the hell am I suppose to say.
01-03-2007, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Thats not talking ****, its the truth.
Both of those are GOOD things, if anything, not bad.
How can you compare. Is Jdpower lying, as well as other mainstreem magazines. Why is it that 75% of famlies have an import vehichle in there driveway? Why is it that Toyota surpassed Chrysler as the number 3 Automaker in the US? Why is it that Toyota is on the verge of bring the number one car manufactor in the world. Why is it that Honda/Acura, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, BMW all rank higher in owner satisfaction?
Did you ever bother to looking into why Ford and Chevy are doing so bad right now? Its all the union vs companies bullcrap going on right now.
Why is it that Chevy teamed up with Toyota to help them build back there reputation?
I mean think about it. What cars do American companies have that can compare with the likes of:
Import:
M3, M5,325(twin turbo) Audi RS4/RS8/S4, Mercedes(all of them), Ferrari, Lambo, Porshe, Lexus, etc...
Domestic
Malibou, Ford 500, Lincoln, Cadillac, Buick
Import:
M3, M5,325(twin turbo) Audi RS4/RS8/S4, Mercedes(all of them), Ferrari, Lambo, Porshe, Lexus, etc...
Domestic
Malibou, Ford 500, Lincoln, Cadillac, Buick
M3/RS4 -> CTS-V/300C SRT8
M5 -> STS-V
Porsche Cayman/911 -> Viper/Corvette
Ferrari 430/599 Lambo Gallardo-> Viper/Corvette
High end Ferrari/Lambo -> Saleen S7, Mosler MT900
Not trying to be funny, but hey you really cant compare. What cars do Americans have that surpass the Camry,Accord and other number one selling cars for the last 10-15 years. There hasnt been one since the Taurus for christ sake. If it werent for the trucks that Ford and Chevy make, they would be in some serious ****.
01-03-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fastkars.com
So with similar HP as a z06 you aren't nearly as quick or as fast. Okay.
I only ran the car twice at the track. Didnt have a helmet or roll cage, so I was unable to get the feel for the track. This was not done on 469rwhp, just the 416rwhp. So actually I would need a 50-60hp increase from 416 to have the rwhp equality of the Z06. I do agree that the Z06 would most likely be a tad bit faster, since I would think I would only run 123-125traps.
01-03-2007, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
What is it that I said was untrue. This is what I do not understand.
2.) claiming peak hp is everything, and the torque curve doesnt matter
3.) attemting to say American manufacturers dont have anything to compete with brands you listed.
01-03-2007, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
1.) you (try) and brag about hp/l
2.) claiming peak hp is everything, and the torque curve doesnt matter
3.) attemting to say American manufacturers dont have anything to compete with brands you listed.
2.) claiming peak hp is everything, and the torque curve doesnt matter
3.) attemting to say American manufacturers dont have anything to compete with brands you listed.
Ive given you reasons as to why torque as a number is useless. I'm not going to go into this debate anymore, if you have questions:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...3&page=3&pp=10
you can look here!
Hp/L has its advantages!
01-03-2007, 10:24 PM
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01-03-2007, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Ive given you reasons as to why torque as a number is useless. I'm not going to go into this debate anymore, if you have questions:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...3&page=3&pp=10
you can look here!
Hp/L has its advantages!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...3&page=3&pp=10
you can look here!
Hp/L has its advantages!
01-03-2007, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Subliminal Hit
so a 4th gen f-bod with 300rwhp and 300rwtq will run the same as a 4th gen f-bod with 300rwhp and 400rwtq?
Why is an LS1 so much faster than an LT1 and L98 despite haveing the same displacement and torque ratings?
Read what I wrote on the link I posted!
01-03-2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
The truth? Yes, that the composite leafsprings the Corvette wears are not only lighter than coils and act as sway bars, but will also last longer? Or that by design V pushrod engines will be smaller and lighter than a similar OHC setup?
Both of those are GOOD things, if anything, not bad.
So because some Japanese/European cars sell better than American cars in America (according to what your saying) that automatically makes all of them better?
Did you ever bother to looking into why Ford and Chevy are doing so bad right now? Its all the union vs companies bullcrap going on right now.
When was this?
This very quote right here proves it, you either have a mental problem or are just plain stupid.
M3/RS4 -> CTS-V/300C SRT8
M5 -> STS-V
Porsche Cayman/911 -> Viper/Corvette
Ferrari 430/599 Lambo Gallardo-> Viper/Corvette
High end Ferrari/Lambo -> Saleen S7, Mosler MT900
For one, sales really dont tell you how "good" a car is. The Ford F-series trucks have been the best sellers for quite some time, does that mean they are the best car you can buy?
Both of those are GOOD things, if anything, not bad.
So because some Japanese/European cars sell better than American cars in America (according to what your saying) that automatically makes all of them better?
Did you ever bother to looking into why Ford and Chevy are doing so bad right now? Its all the union vs companies bullcrap going on right now.
When was this?
This very quote right here proves it, you either have a mental problem or are just plain stupid.
M3/RS4 -> CTS-V/300C SRT8
M5 -> STS-V
Porsche Cayman/911 -> Viper/Corvette
Ferrari 430/599 Lambo Gallardo-> Viper/Corvette
High end Ferrari/Lambo -> Saleen S7, Mosler MT900
For one, sales really dont tell you how "good" a car is. The Ford F-series trucks have been the best sellers for quite some time, does that mean they are the best car you can buy?
01-03-2007, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Ive given you reasons as to why torque as a number is useless. I'm not going to go into this debate anymore, if you have questions:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...3&page=3&pp=10
you can look here!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...3&page=3&pp=10
you can look here!
Hp/L has its advantages!
Here in the real world, there are things like weight, physical size and cost that actually matter, the distance the piston travels is pretty meaningless, as is comparing it to peak power.
01-03-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Ive given you reasons as to why torque as a number is useless.
I guess power under the curve is useless too, since it doesn't change the outcome when racing from a high mph roll. Just put the largest turbo you can man, it will spool up at 5,500rpms and you can just brake boost and race people from a 70mph roll.Meanwhile the car that makes power throughout the entire power band is 5000X more enjoyable to drive. Lambo, and Ferrari are stupid for using 5.0L+ 12 cylinder motors; they should be using V6s with huge turbos. Linear power band? That's useless.
01-03-2007, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JD_AMG
See your still on the same page here, close the damn book and open your eyes, this is reality! Peak numbers (BOTH torque and horsepower) do NOT tell the whole story!
Like?
Here in the real world, there are things like weight, physical size and cost that actually matter, the distance the piston travels is pretty meaningless, as is comparing it to peak power.
Like?
Here in the real world, there are things like weight, physical size and cost that actually matter, the distance the piston travels is pretty meaningless, as is comparing it to peak power.
Not going to start a torque war with you again. Stay on topic!
01-03-2007, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Why is an LS1 so much faster than an LT1 and L98 despite haveing the same displacement and torque ratings?
Read what I wrote on the link I posted!
Read what I wrote on the link I posted!
LS1 = 350hp/375ft.lbs
LT1 = 330hp/350ft.lbs
L89= 230hp/330ft.lbs
01-03-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
As much as I hate to admit it, I like argueing with you. It's interesting most of the time becuase you hold valid points, but sometimes your *** is so damn stuburn, you refuse to look at other POV