LS7 2002 Firehawk
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+1 customer is always right. Plus The customer may not have wanted to go forced induction and do a whole lot to a smaller engine to push the power that this engine makes stock. Who cares what others do with their time/money. Make damned sure if i had twenty grand to play with I would have done it too!
i think its awsome, def a sleeper.and def something different, i would love to do something like that.
Congrats to you guys at Livernois!!!
was it a hard install to put in? or just time consuming for the fabing??
-brandon
Congrats to you guys at Livernois!!!
was it a hard install to put in? or just time consuming for the fabing??
-brandon
oh yeah forgot 
forget about the money issue that got it in there, now just think of all the possiblities the guy can do w/ starting off at 482hp.that car can become a very nasty and wicked car!!
-brandon
forget about the money issue that got it in there, now just think of all the possiblities the guy can do w/ starting off at 482hp.that car can become a very nasty and wicked car!!
-brandon
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From: conroe/woodlands, texas
definately an interesting swap. not what i would've done with my money personally, but it looks VERY clean and very stock as well. would love to hear how the car sounds that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by xfactor_pitbulls
How does it sound compared to putting a corsa and headers on a stock LS1?
You should be banned for not posting a video by the way, sponsor or not.
You should be banned for not posting a video by the way, sponsor or not.
. The car is now back in FL, so I don't think I'll ever get to take any more video of it.
Originally Posted by Demonicbird00
i think its awsome, def a sleeper.and def something different, i would love to do something like that.
Congrats to you guys at Livernois!!!
was it a hard install to put in? or just time consuming for the fabing??
-brandon
Congrats to you guys at Livernois!!!
was it a hard install to put in? or just time consuming for the fabing??
-brandon
-Rick
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Originally Posted by SMOKKINU
Pendragon, nobody was "Bashing the shop" I was offering an opinion. I guess thats not allowed here unless it is of course good for the sponsor.
my point still stands. As a performance shop, the choice to use a $13k engine & $10k more just to make it work.... to make under 500hp just to keep up a "Sleeper look" is ignorant at best.... when the same, if not more HP could have been achieved for a fraction of that cost.
my point still stands. As a performance shop, the choice to use a $13k engine & $10k more just to make it work.... to make under 500hp just to keep up a "Sleeper look" is ignorant at best.... when the same, if not more HP could have been achieved for a fraction of that cost.
We've made way more power with our 404ci stroker engines, for a fraction of the cost and made the recommedation to him, but he didn't want to go that route.
Regards,
Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports
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From: Gainesville, Florida # of drag strips runs: ?!?!?
I just read the article, very nicely done! 
I can understand on the whole "why do it this way?" versus a more budget/proven/road traveled approach, but if the customer has the funds and wants it done, then do it! If we all had the EXACT same set-up because of fear to try something never done before, then the world would be a boring place.
Derek
I can understand on the whole "why do it this way?" versus a more budget/proven/road traveled approach, but if the customer has the funds and wants it done, then do it! If we all had the EXACT same set-up because of fear to try something never done before, then the world would be a boring place.
Derek
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Originally Posted by mattraypharbor
nice i was told that headers dont do much on the factory z06 ls7 is this true?
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Rick LeBlanc
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
We had a customer with a new Z do a baseline, install headers, and then re-dyno with no tuning and it only picked up 14 RWHP and 23 RWTQ.
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Rick LeBlanc
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Rick LeBlanc
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thats pretty much what i was told.
thanks
Originally Posted by Villain281H
I just read the article, very nicely done!
I can understand on the whole "why do it this way?" versus a more budget/proven/road traveled approach, but if the customer has the funds and wants it done, then do it! If we all had the EXACT same set-up because of fear to try something never done before, then the world would be a boring place.
Derek
I can understand on the whole "why do it this way?" versus a more budget/proven/road traveled approach, but if the customer has the funds and wants it done, then do it! If we all had the EXACT same set-up because of fear to try something never done before, then the world would be a boring place.
Derek
being one of the first to do something opens the doors and minds for others to try out, thats why when ppl ask what i have done i tell them everything and dont hide anything like hp numbers or cam specs, cause if someone likes my setup and wants to try it out, then ill try my best to help them achieve or beat my ETs or hp
-brandon
Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
. . . The car is now back in FL, so I don't think I'll ever get to take any more video of it.
-Rick
-Rick
As far as the "price" debate . . . not EVERYONE that owns an F-body is on a certain budget.
Some people are actually quite affluent and don't mind dropping a few thousand here, or a few thousand there every month or so
There are those who look at the +$23K this particular customer spent as reasonable THOUSANDS of F-bodies in the world are "402's," "422's," "Supercharged 408's," etc.
The owner of this vehicle can potentially brag that they have the ONLY LS7 Convertible Firehawk in the world . . . pretty bad-a$$ IMO
i think it's the whole driveability thing. seeing as how he owns a pontiac dealership, he probably didn't want to roll in there with a loud and lopey 408, but wanted the power for the weekends.
the LS7 is a race motor too and he can probably get away with doing warranty work on it at his dealership.
the LS7 is a race motor too and he can probably get away with doing warranty work on it at his dealership.
Look at that torque curve.
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Originally Posted by SMOKKINU
my point still stands.
Originally Posted by SMOKKINU
As a performance shop, the choice to use a $13k engine & $10k more just to make it work.... to make under 500hp just to keep up a "Sleeper look" is ignorant at best....
always right." Livernois could've built a 404 or a 427cid motor that
would make more power or they simply could've installed a nitrous
kit to make more power. However...THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CUSTOMER
WANTED OR ASKED FOR. Understand? I'm sure you have enough
neurons firing upstairs to figure that out.
This is a very unique setup. It makes great power. It appears to be
extremely stock and it's JUST WHAT THE CUSTOMER WANTED.
If the customer asked Livernois to turn that Firehawk into a 9 second
car for $20K, that SOB would be running bottom 9's. Count on that.
Move along now son.
