ok heres the deal. i bought a clutch disk from crawlinws6. in his decription he said the disk had 3k miles on it and from what i could see in the pics it looked useable.
ok it arrives at my house stuffed in about a 10 or12 inch subwoofer box poorly packaged in little bitty bubble wrap and some paper. the disk was up against the sides of the box.
the first thing i noticed when i pulled it out is it is nearly wore completely out. the next thing i noticed is in 3 spots the clutch material is coming apart, broken and hanging off it.
the first thing i thought was the box was too small and fedex damaged it throwing it around. so after much discussion with him about this, we tried to file a claim with fedex and after waiting about 2 weeks they denied it.

now i told him im tired of dealing with them and him. he is the one who is at fault here. he is the one who sold me a worn out clutch. he is the one who poorly packaged it. he got careless and he wont admit it. i dont care how many trader rating points he has or how long he has been a member here.
now he refuses to refund my money because he says it is not his fault. then he accuses me of damaging the clutch because is was pissed. he says i misread the description and i didnt look at the pics good enough. well i saw pics and yes i can read. the clutch didnt look that way in the pics like it does in person. it also didnt have busted clutch material hanging off of it.

apparently he does not know what a worn out clutch looks like or how to package his stuff right to keep it from getting damaged.

crawlinws6 i am not calling you a crook or anything man. look at my record im not a liar either. im just saying you got careless and you wont own up to your mistake. im tired of fooling with fedex and im tired of fooling with you...this has gone on for a month. i want my money back NOW.

 

That looks like an LS6 clutch disc. Those are made of fibers that fray very easily upon contact to the edge. There looks to be TONS of life left in it. Look how far the rivits sink into the friction material. Just carefully trim off the frayed parts and you should be good to go.

 

the parts that are shown in the picture have some clutch material left...if you could see the rest of, its worn down to the rivets. believe me it looks different in person.
im not gonna do all that work swapping that disk out just to risk it flying apart. if you could see this in person, you wouldnt put it in your car either.

 

Well I would never put a used clutch in my car anyhow. Especially a factory one. If you are going to do the work might as well do it right the first time and get a SPEC or something.

 

post the pics he sent you.

see how those look

 

i personally saw that clutch in his garage and that did not look that way. It must have been damaged in shipping or something else. I will let him know that his thread is started so he can chime in to you.

 

i was actually gonna by the cluthc from Jay.. ans jIm you are right the clutch was no that bad at all. had to have been shipping the only reason that i did not take it was bc i was gonna get a textrilla

 

well if its in such good condition why dont one of you buy it from me and put it in your car? i think not.....
im telling you its worn uneven. its worn down completely to the rivets in some spots. this is a separate issue. its his fault the clutch got damaged like that because he was careless when he packaged it. if i call fedex and complain, that is exactly what they are going to say.
just be a man and admit your mistake. i dont need your friends to post their accounts of what happened. i need you to come in here yourself, which you havent done, and admit your mistake I WANT MY MONEY BACK NOW!!!!

 

the reason that i do not buy that clutch bc it is a STOCK LS6... i already have that in my car

The reason that his friends have responded is b/c me and 6spd97ta both saw the clutch. It was fine when he got and was fine when he shipped. And i guess you can blame FedEx. Everyone knows how rough they are on their packages..

 

what im trying to say is he put it in a box that was to small and did not package it right for shipping is why the damage occured. yes i know fedex probably threw it around on the truck. but with no padding in it of course its going to break. fedex is going to say it is his fault, and technically it is..they are not going to cover it.
it doesnt matter if he was shipping me raw eggs in a case made concrete...if it gets to me broken, fedex is going to say its not their fault its the shippers. does that make sense?

 

he should have packaged it better

 

Ok now that I have time to respond.

There is a few topics I want to touch on!

1) As you stated too the pics I posted showed NO damage to the clutch! And now it has damage all of a sudden. And you stated that the box that the clutch came in was not damage at all! Well the clutch left my hands not damaged. And the box that I shipped it in was not damaged. Then how did it get damaged! The clutch wrapped many times in shipping paper. The wrapped in bubble wrap! Tell me how did the clutch get damaged if the box showed no visible damage! And since there was no damage to the box, fedex denied the claim!

2) You said that you read my description. Then why did you sent me a pm wondering why you only got the disk and not the pressure plate and alignment tool! WHEN MY DESCRIPTION STATED THAT IT WAS ONLY INCLUDING THE DISK! You were mad when you found out it only included the disk.

3) I had many members that seen the clutch when they came to my garage to pick-up other items that they bought from me. And they all seen the clutch and know the condition of the clutch. And it was not in that condition. So they seen the thread before I even did and knew that this is B.S!

4) As you can see I am not one to screw anyone. And if I was out to get over on someone then WHY would I do it on the cheapest item I was selling on not the $1,500+ item(s) I sold!

Conclusion:
I just find this a little odd that The clutch was in good shape when it left my hands. And there are alot of members that can vouche for me on this one. And it arrives to you in a UNdamaged box. And not it is damaged, after you realized that it only included the disk! It sound fishy to me. If I though I was even 51% in the wrong I would of refunded your money right away. Or better yet I would of not even of sold it to you!


I will post up sopme of our pm's for the admin!

 

Here are the pm's between us!

 

To back up Jay, I traded my m6 setup for his auto setup. Thats my old clutch. I bought it brand new and it has maybe 1500 miles on it. The clutch was in perfect shape when i gave it to Jay. I know its frustrating FL JUNKIE but that had to be damaged in shipping. That clutch still had 100k left in her.

 

Jay....what im trying to tell you is you didnt package it correctly and that is why damage occured. but that is going in one of your ears and out the other.

badsz28 just stated how brittle they are. you put in a box that was too small. the bubble wrap you put on it was thin, little bubble wrap, like the kind they pack toy cars in, and some paper. you should have put it in a bigger box and used the bigger type bubble wrap...careless packaging.
there doesnt have to be any damage to the box. as small as that box was it could hit the side of and break. of course fedex denied the claim. they have no idea what they are looking at.

all i remember seeing in your thread was ls6 clutch with 3k miles on it $115. i pm you asking about a clutch. i thought you were going to include the pressure plate. i was asking about a CLUTCH KIT. yes that was a misunderstanding....im sorry. the main thing i wanted was a disk anyway because the springs in mine are broke and every time i shift it says ker-chunk! so i could replace just that until i could afford a new spec clutch.
i was not mad at you when i got the disk, frustrated yes. as you can see in the pms i did not get mad at you when we disagreed.
now you come in here calling bs accusing me of damaging the clutch. oh yes" boo hoo i didnt get my pressure plate. ill show him!"
i never accused you of anything. i never said that you damaged the clutch before you shipped it.
all i said was the disk is worn bad and you got careless packaging it and asked nicely for my money back. you simply wont admit that.

 

It is not going in one ear and out another. It is kind of hard to believe that the item got damaged in shipping. (Due to what you say is bad packaging) but the box that held the item was not damaged at all! And that is something both you and fedex stated.

This will be resolved and unlike you....I am not going to leave neg feedback. You are quick to point fingers and leave negative feedback. When there is none warrented!

 

So was it packaged in too small of a box?

ADMIN

 

I packaged it in a subwoofer box. Wrapped many... times in shipping paper. Then wrapped in bubble wrap many times, and taped up. It sat in the box on a angle. Which I then put more wrap all above and below it. My confusion is how it got damaged in shipping, when there was NO damage to the box?

 

I agree with the box not damaged part? What is weaker a cardboard box or a clutch disk? Just my .02

 

yes. and poorly packed in small bubble wrap. there appeared to be no damage to the box on the outside. maybe a closer look on the inside might show different...or some marks or something. if it was thrown up against some HARD, then i could see how the pressure could chip off a piece of that material, without piercing the side of the box.
but i dont have it right now fedex does....