Form>Function aka Craig Payne...
09-03-2008, 08:09 AM
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So, I just get an email from our friend Craig Payne:
09/03/08, 7:49 am: did everything go alright getting a chargeback from the credit card company
What is with this guy? Like I have always felt, he seems legit just a complete moron. I patiently waited for my engine to ship for over a month with his excuses. then I see the thread started here and see some (ok, 1 because that is all that he has delivered) of his "shipped" engines which are a far cry from what was described.
I, like many of you, have received a response to my PayPal complaint and they decided in my favor but because he has no money in his account I am SOL on that front. If I had known this little "catch" of PayPal, I would not have gone through with this. Why would anyone actually use PayPal, where is the buyer protection?
09/03/08, 7:49 am: did everything go alright getting a chargeback from the credit card company
What is with this guy? Like I have always felt, he seems legit just a complete moron. I patiently waited for my engine to ship for over a month with his excuses. then I see the thread started here and see some (ok, 1 because that is all that he has delivered) of his "shipped" engines which are a far cry from what was described.
I, like many of you, have received a response to my PayPal complaint and they decided in my favor but because he has no money in his account I am SOL on that front. If I had known this little "catch" of PayPal, I would not have gone through with this. Why would anyone actually use PayPal, where is the buyer protection?
09-03-2008, 10:59 PM
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paypal sucks, always use a credit card thru paypal. Your credit card can do a chargeback, and paypal can't stop them.
Here is his IP address that was used to post.
The IP Address is: 68.79.91.182. The host name is: adsl-68-79-91-182.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net.
Here is his IP address that was used to post.
The IP Address is: 68.79.91.182. The host name is: adsl-68-79-91-182.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net.
09-04-2008, 06:10 PM
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Im in Harrison Township looking for his house now...just kidding...thought about it though!
I finally got a money order refund from him earlier this week. I dont have the envelope with the address he sent it from n me, but Ill put it up on Sat. I was able to hold the paypal dispute open and had the advantage over him on it.
His stories and excuses never matched up; every time I communicated with him, nothing but BS came out of his mouth. I really hope everyone gets their money or the worthy parts they paid for.
I finally got a money order refund from him earlier this week. I dont have the envelope with the address he sent it from n me, but Ill put it up on Sat. I was able to hold the paypal dispute open and had the advantage over him on it.
His stories and excuses never matched up; every time I communicated with him, nothing but BS came out of his mouth. I really hope everyone gets their money or the worthy parts they paid for.
09-04-2008, 09:31 PM
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Anyone care to comment on our friend's comments: (Now my motor is missing parts, last week it was complete and ready to ship)
your spreadsheet is way messed up. you should really get facts straight first man.
i was the middle man in all of these deals where the other party took the money and ran. resulting in what has happened now. i am assuming full responsibility for all of this and taking care of it with my own money and rescourses.
oh, and BTW i have you motor, when i got it, it was missing intake, valve covers, and rockers, and i didnt want to send you an incomplete motor.
i can send you it+ 500 if you still want that, or your credit card will be reimbursed as i have already talked to paypal and when your credit card company contacts them everything will be in your favor
fasttimes1- refunded
alocker- refunded 2145, still owe 480
deathbyspoon- received motor, owe $160
you- your credit car company is refunding you (or i have the motor)
john duell- need to refund
The biz- received and will soon be partially refunded
i understand what ive done is not the way to do business, and i realize that i will need to take care of all of this. im not scamming or ditching out on anyone.
i have over 10 refferences where ive sold motors/transmissions on ls1tech.com and all went smooth, that is why i wasnt expecting the 3rd party to burn me, but it happened and thats what i get. i am remedying all of this situation
your spreadsheet is way messed up. you should really get facts straight first man.
i was the middle man in all of these deals where the other party took the money and ran. resulting in what has happened now. i am assuming full responsibility for all of this and taking care of it with my own money and rescourses.
oh, and BTW i have you motor, when i got it, it was missing intake, valve covers, and rockers, and i didnt want to send you an incomplete motor.
i can send you it+ 500 if you still want that, or your credit card will be reimbursed as i have already talked to paypal and when your credit card company contacts them everything will be in your favor
fasttimes1- refunded
alocker- refunded 2145, still owe 480
deathbyspoon- received motor, owe $160
you- your credit car company is refunding you (or i have the motor)
john duell- need to refund
The biz- received and will soon be partially refunded
i understand what ive done is not the way to do business, and i realize that i will need to take care of all of this. im not scamming or ditching out on anyone.
i have over 10 refferences where ive sold motors/transmissions on ls1tech.com and all went smooth, that is why i wasnt expecting the 3rd party to burn me, but it happened and thats what i get. i am remedying all of this situation
09-04-2008, 09:41 PM
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What it comes down to is he initially said the delay was due to issues with the freight company he was using. Now its because the other party took the money and ran.
I would be willing to give a little bit of leeway if he was honest in the beginning, but unfortunately I don't believe that was the case. I do want to know what he pissed away over $10,000 on in a month. Cars, Women, blow???
I would be willing to give a little bit of leeway if he was honest in the beginning, but unfortunately I don't believe that was the case. I do want to know what he pissed away over $10,000 on in a month. Cars, Women, blow???
09-04-2008, 09:58 PM
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I'm thinking he is selling hot merchandise. Over sold thinking that some of his hoodlums would have some hot vehicles coming in, so he came up with excuses for us.
09-04-2008, 10:16 PM
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Anyone care to comment on our friend's comments: (Now my motor is missing parts, last week it was complete and ready to ship)
your spreadsheet is way messed up. you should really get facts straight first man.
i was the middle man in all of these deals where the other party took the money and ran. resulting in what has happened now. i am assuming full responsibility for all of this and taking care of it with my own money and rescourses.
oh, and BTW i have you motor, when i got it, it was missing intake, valve covers, and rockers, and i didnt want to send you an incomplete motor.
i can send you it+ 500 if you still want that, or your credit card will be reimbursed as i have already talked to paypal and when your credit card company contacts them everything will be in your favor
fasttimes1- refunded
alocker- refunded 2145, still owe 480
deathbyspoon- received motor, owe $160
you- your credit car company is refunding you (or i have the motor)
john duell- need to refund
The biz- received and will soon be partially refunded
i understand what ive done is not the way to do business, and i realize that i will need to take care of all of this. im not scamming or ditching out on anyone.
i have over 10 refferences where ive sold motors/transmissions on ls1tech.com and all went smooth, that is why i wasnt expecting the 3rd party to burn me, but it happened and thats what i get. i am remedying all of this situation
your spreadsheet is way messed up. you should really get facts straight first man.
i was the middle man in all of these deals where the other party took the money and ran. resulting in what has happened now. i am assuming full responsibility for all of this and taking care of it with my own money and rescourses.
oh, and BTW i have you motor, when i got it, it was missing intake, valve covers, and rockers, and i didnt want to send you an incomplete motor.
i can send you it+ 500 if you still want that, or your credit card will be reimbursed as i have already talked to paypal and when your credit card company contacts them everything will be in your favor
fasttimes1- refunded
alocker- refunded 2145, still owe 480
deathbyspoon- received motor, owe $160
you- your credit car company is refunding you (or i have the motor)
john duell- need to refund
The biz- received and will soon be partially refunded
i understand what ive done is not the way to do business, and i realize that i will need to take care of all of this. im not scamming or ditching out on anyone.
i have over 10 refferences where ive sold motors/transmissions on ls1tech.com and all went smooth, that is why i wasnt expecting the 3rd party to burn me, but it happened and thats what i get. i am remedying all of this situation
09-05-2008, 10:02 AM
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Im never in a big rush to receive any parts I buy. I am usually pretty patient, all I ask for is the seller to be honest about what is going on. If he just cant get it shipped because he is too busy that week, fine, just keep me updated. I start getting unpatient when the excuses are clearly bullshit and the stories dont match up.
Whatever his reasons, we all know he is a bad seller and that he is swimming in bs. I am glad to hear that he has admitted his screw up and that he is trying to pay everyone back...I just hope thats not bs as well! Function>form, just understand that making things right doesnt make you a good trader!
Whatever his reasons, we all know he is a bad seller and that he is swimming in bs. I am glad to hear that he has admitted his screw up and that he is trying to pay everyone back...I just hope thats not bs as well! Function>form, just understand that making things right doesnt make you a good trader!
09-06-2008, 08:52 PM
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Alright. Pulled the motor apart further today and found a few more things that need to be addressed. I have called Craig and we are working on an agreement. I just wanted you guys to know what else to look for.
1. Pulled the heads off the motor to find that 2 of the pistons have pretty healthy detonation marks in them. Looks like some one installed them with a ball-peen hammer. So, pistons are going to get junked as well.
2. Oddly enough LS1 knock sensors thread right into the sides of the block. Funny...those are supposed to be drilled an tapped for an LS1 knock sensor. Looks like someone has already tried to use this motor in an LS1 harnessed car.
3. The conclusion at the shop is that this motor was used in an LS1 conversion..tuned badly...developed a detonation problem and knock...then pulled from said project car and dumped off to me. Damn it.
More to come as I find it......
1. Pulled the heads off the motor to find that 2 of the pistons have pretty healthy detonation marks in them. Looks like some one installed them with a ball-peen hammer. So, pistons are going to get junked as well.
2. Oddly enough LS1 knock sensors thread right into the sides of the block. Funny...those are supposed to be drilled an tapped for an LS1 knock sensor. Looks like someone has already tried to use this motor in an LS1 harnessed car.
3. The conclusion at the shop is that this motor was used in an LS1 conversion..tuned badly...developed a detonation problem and knock...then pulled from said project car and dumped off to me. Damn it.
More to come as I find it......
09-15-2008, 07:51 AM
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Have pic buts they're still on my camera. To my surprise, the motor actually looks pretty clean. Even burning marks, no signs of detoniation, i could even see the cross hatch pattern on the cylinder walls and there were no ridges. That's a relief...While the heads are off, i might as well replace them... 
09-15-2008, 05:06 PM
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Talked to Craig last Friday. He's been pretty good to deal with so far. He told me he was going to send me a money order. He said it should be here early this week.
09-16-2008, 07:11 PM
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WTF is This!! Read the sig in this one.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/987311-6-2-l92-07-denali-dropout.html
Now go to this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...994&highlight=
The F-quick link says Clinton Township MI.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/987311-6-2-l92-07-denali-dropout.html
Now go to this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...994&highlight=
The F-quick link says Clinton Township MI.
