whats the quickest way to 500rwhp NA?
06-18-2009, 05:17 PM
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most definitely, gives me a decision to make as well, thank you very much!!
anyone know where i can start to look for a used procharger kit? ebay?
anyone know where i can start to look for a used procharger kit? ebay?
06-18-2009, 05:40 PM
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im glad you got away from the 500rwhp n/a idea. that bill could rack up quickly. try the for sale section here for a used procharger.
is there a reason you consider a [centrifugal] supercharger more reliable than a turbo(s)? kentucky turbo on here has single turbo kits starting in the $3,xxx range. off tpoic, do you know the difference in different superchargers? (not insulting your intelligence, just wondering so you know what kinda power band you are looking at). personally, if i were you, id start with a good set of heads, a ported FAST 90/90, and a custom grind cam for your setup (along with LTs, good exhaust setup, lid, valvetrain upgrades, etc.) to start. NITROUS, not NOS, is a good way to get to the power level you were seeking in the beginning while retaining driveability, although nitrous is a very touchy subject for some even though its safe when used correctly.if you plan on adding a procharger after the H/CI, make sure you dont boost you compression to high, or you will be buying a new set of heads for that setup as well.
is there a reason you consider a [centrifugal] supercharger more reliable than a turbo(s)? kentucky turbo on here has single turbo kits starting in the $3,xxx range. off tpoic, do you know the difference in different superchargers? (not insulting your intelligence, just wondering so you know what kinda power band you are looking at). personally, if i were you, id start with a good set of heads, a ported FAST 90/90, and a custom grind cam for your setup (along with LTs, good exhaust setup, lid, valvetrain upgrades, etc.) to start. NITROUS, not NOS, is a good way to get to the power level you were seeking in the beginning while retaining driveability, although nitrous is a very touchy subject for some even though its safe when used correctly.if you plan on adding a procharger after the H/CI, make sure you dont boost you compression to high, or you will be buying a new set of heads for that setup as well.
06-18-2009, 05:59 PM
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06-18-2009, 06:20 PM
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sorry to hijack, but if im gonna be running an f13 cam from futral, with stock heads, would FI as far as a turbo or blower be out of the question, due to cam size. For those who dont know, its a 230/232. Anyway, i would either go with the 408 or FI, both awesome, or you could do a 408 WITH FI!!!!!!!!!
06-18-2009, 08:22 PM
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If you decide to go with the procharger you wont need the lid or a 90/90 intake, the ls6 intake and a stock ported throttle body will be sufficient since at wot your intake will be pressurized and wont see any vaccum unlike a N/A motor. To begin with your power goals you should start with long tube headers, catback of your choice, p/p tb, ls6 intake manifold(if your car is a 01-02 then your car already has one), lq4/lq9 heads(lowers motors copression ratio to about 9.5), a custom camshaft for superchargers or somthing as simple as the ls6 hotcam works good with super/turbo charged motors. Don't install the heads and cam until you have the procharger, front mount intercooler(avoid the twin intercoolers that come with most procharger kits they arent very efficient), 42lbs injectors and fuel pump. That way you only have to tune it once. And you will most definetly need a new tranny that will support 500+ hp with at least a 3200 stall to keep your motor in its power band. And if you are planning to lift your front tires you will also need a 12 bolt or 9" rear end with some 3:73 gears. And try to keep the boost below 8lbs if you want your factory motor to last at least one year. Forged rods and pistons are also recomended if you want to run more boost, the factory cranckshaft is good for about 1000 hp. This is basicly my plan for my own car except im going to use a turbo and 60lbs injectors and no long tubes. Check out the forced induction section and read all the stickeys for some really good info. Good luck.
Last edited by snksknr; 06-18-2009 at 08:27 PM. Reason: Oh, and with any cam change upgrade your pushrods and valve springs
06-18-2009, 08:30 PM
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sorry to hijack, but if im gonna be running an f13 cam from futral, with stock heads, would FI as far as a turbo or blower be out of the question, due to cam size. For those who dont know, its a 230/232. Anyway, i would either go with the 408 or FI, both awesome, or you could do a 408 WITH FI!!!!!!!!!
06-19-2009, 12:50 AM
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my tuner has a c5 ls1 with heads cam exhaust ls6 90mm im making 480 to the wheels through an auto and yes its NA it can be done safely and this car is extremely consistent also
you dont need a fast i dont see why everyone thinks fast 9090 is the best, is it cuz it says fast on it? does that make it go fast? they are overpriced and overplayed and yet ppl worship them like they are something amazing. i think its just cuz they say fast on them and that satisfies the ricer inside all of us, but thats just my two cents
you dont need a fast i dont see why everyone thinks fast 9090 is the best, is it cuz it says fast on it? does that make it go fast? they are overpriced and overplayed and yet ppl worship them like they are something amazing. i think its just cuz they say fast on them and that satisfies the ricer inside all of us, but thats just my two cents
06-19-2009, 01:00 AM
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you dont need a fast i dont see why everyone thinks fast 9090 is the best, is it cuz it says fast on it? does that make it go fast? they are overpriced and overplayed and yet ppl worship them like they are something amazing. i think its just cuz they say fast on them and that satisfies the ricer inside all of us, but thats just my two cents
on a small cammed car or a supercharged car.. a FAST isnt really worth the money...
but on a turbo car or a big cammed car a fast is worth a LOT..
an ls6 does almost as good as a FAST under 5800rpms... after that the ls6 stops making power VERY quickly.. this is where the FAST intake outshines it by leaps and bounds...
of course if you arent serious into it.. you should always go ls6... but once you start talking about more serious power.. 15rwhp for 15 or more hp is WELL worth it..
i picked up 35rwhp through my stalled auto and 410 car going from my ls1 intake.. most i have seen from an ls6 intake is 15-18rwhp...
sounds like it does quite a bit better..
do some research before making ignorant uneducated posts..
06-19-2009, 01:38 AM
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so, assuming i have no intention of reaching for 550+rwhp in any kind of near future... the setup you (lemons12) previously posted would get me well in the direction of my goals?
and no i don't really know the difference between superchargers... if anyone would care to explain i'd much appreciate it
as i said, i'm not the most knowledgable..... and for the most part i'm going for something thats going to be fun to build kinda thing, not something i take to a shop and pay them to install, NA seemed the way to go for that...
and no i don't really know the difference between superchargers... if anyone would care to explain i'd much appreciate it
as i said, i'm not the most knowledgable..... and for the most part i'm going for something thats going to be fun to build kinda thing, not something i take to a shop and pay them to install, NA seemed the way to go for that...
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06-19-2009, 02:04 AM
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actually i have done my research, but i see that you prolly have no life and sit here and read forums all day and thats how you have gained your little bit of "knowledge" mr im the forum god lemons fast is not the best like i put in that previous comment the ls6 with a 90mm snout duh have you ever even heard of such a thing you can have a 90mm round or oval snout port match it and guess what fast becomes a thing of the past, just coming from someone actually doing this in the real world
has anyone seen any numbers on the street warrior yet?
has anyone seen any numbers on the street warrior yet?
06-19-2009, 02:13 AM
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hey guess what i just did some research and found where an ls1 intake 75mm made more torque (actual power in case you didn know) than a fast 90mm intake lol sounds like a winner
06-19-2009, 02:39 AM
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anyways before this gets dumber theres a million ways to get to it several listed here you will find more and more as you look around the best way to go is just whichever way you want to go and how much you want to spend to get there, no matter which way your going to be spending money and lots of it though, this is a very expensive hobby