Fast intake or ls6 intake
01-27-2012 | 02:28 PM
#61
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I dont see too many good reviews on the bbk. The only good reviews are from bbk. Once you add in the extra weight of the bbk im sure any hp advantage would be ruled out.
01-27-2012 | 02:41 PM
#62
THEN SHOW ME THESE TESTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they even exist and If its a reliable source then I will say you are right but do not just throw out there BBk is better than Ls6 because it is offered as a aftermarket bolt on that claims 17 rwhp over a ls6 setup Lets face it we all know these performance part stores all beef up their rwhp claim to get us to buy the parts.Its a marketing thing.Really buy my MAF and you will gain 20 rwhp come on get real they just want our money and their is people out there stupid enough to buy the false horsepower claims."""""""""I sell these parts on a daily basis""""""""" and I can tell you all the manufactures exaderate their claims here is Bbks claim
•Provides 18-24 Horsepower Increase On Stock LS1, 12-15 Horsepower Increase On Z06
They also do not tell you the intake weighs 34 lbs compared to the 8lb ls6.They do not tell you that you can fry a egg on their intake a 1/2 hr after you shut the car off either.
•Provides 18-24 Horsepower Increase On Stock LS1, 12-15 Horsepower Increase On Z06
They also do not tell you the intake weighs 34 lbs compared to the 8lb ls6.They do not tell you that you can fry a egg on their intake a 1/2 hr after you shut the car off either.
You have studderings link, believe whatever you want.
Ls6 weighs 10#s roughly and BBK weighs 24#s roughly.
Please don't tell me you are going to go the "heat soak" route.
I didn't say anything about manufacturer claims, they are always wrong.
Whether you sell the intakes or not is irrelevant to me.
Thunder,I agree with you that they are almost identical and would prefer the black one also.Here is a quote from the link you posted.Also from that link the tester said the BBk had only 5 rwhp more than the ls6 so I guess if you get a good deal on the ls6 get it!Plus the advantages of not having a metal intake for heatsoak and weight is also a factor.So my opinion is ls6 over BBk SSi
"""""I'm mixed on this. If I had a stock TB and a LS1 intake, I would buy a BBK for sure. Unless I found a LS6 intake cheap, like $250 that dosnt happen much. Most are $330-350. A BBK 85mm intake is only $399 at NewEra were I got mine. So thats a good deal if you have a LS1 intake still, its 5whp more then a LS6"""""""""""
"""""I'm mixed on this. If I had a stock TB and a LS1 intake, I would buy a BBK for sure. Unless I found a LS6 intake cheap, like $250 that dosnt happen much. Most are $330-350. A BBK 85mm intake is only $399 at NewEra were I got mine. So thats a good deal if you have a LS1 intake still, its 5whp more then a LS6"""""""""""
BBK makes more power than the ls6 intake for slightly more money.
01-27-2012 | 02:46 PM
#64
Yes, there is many negative posts about them.. Usually from people like ^^^ this guy.
I posted the facts up, everything else is opinion on them.
01-27-2012 | 03:07 PM
#65
That ad was from GM high tech and the test was done at an ex shop out by me that had a reliable dyno. The gains are there. The test with the cold air intake on should be an even better indicator that the LS6 will get beat on even a stock LS6. Idk how you guys can sit here and say that an intake that flows more and has a better runner design than the LS6 and that it doesn't gain anything. Even if I had an LS6 I'd sell it for a BBK, at most I'd pay 50 bucks for it and get around 10rwhp? I'll take it all day. Again heat soak is a myth, tests have shown at operating temp the intake will raise the temperature going into the heads by 1 degree. Not enough to.have an affect especially considering the PCM reads from the sensor in the lid or MAF. Also most people generally accept every 100 pounds adds up to roughly .1 in the 1/4 mile. So 10 pounds is .01 of a second. If you can feel one one hundredth of a second at the track thats bs
01-27-2012 | 03:45 PM
#67
01-27-2012 | 03:46 PM
#68
I'm not doing your research for you because you are too lazy or don't want to believe.
You have studderings link, believe whatever you want.
Ls6 weighs 10#s roughly and BBK weighs 24#s roughly.
Please don't tell me you are going to go the "heat soak" route.
I didn't say anything about manufacturer claims, they are always wrong.
Whether you sell the intakes or not is irrelevant to me.
I never said it made XX Rwhp more than an ls6 intake, I said it made more Rwhp. For a bolt on car if I was on a budget I would definitely buy a BBK setup for an extra 5-8Rwhp. People spend 75$ on TB porting that maybe picks up 1-2Rwhp max. A BBK runs 50$ more brand new than an ls6 intake sells for on average.
BBK makes more power than the ls6 intake for slightly more money.
You have studderings link, believe whatever you want.
Ls6 weighs 10#s roughly and BBK weighs 24#s roughly.
Please don't tell me you are going to go the "heat soak" route.
I didn't say anything about manufacturer claims, they are always wrong.
Whether you sell the intakes or not is irrelevant to me.
I never said it made XX Rwhp more than an ls6 intake, I said it made more Rwhp. For a bolt on car if I was on a budget I would definitely buy a BBK setup for an extra 5-8Rwhp. People spend 75$ on TB porting that maybe picks up 1-2Rwhp max. A BBK runs 50$ more brand new than an ls6 intake sells for on average.
BBK makes more power than the ls6 intake for slightly more money.
Read the quote only 5rwhp from a so called aftermarket bolt on performance product worth $530 just for the intake(keep in mind no discount)the tb is $389 (with out discount) and the kit for both is $ 829 (with out discount)i know the cheapest I can sell the kit for is $700.
So if you are a guy like me and already has an Ls6 on his Ram Air Ws6 because it came stock that way and you just use a ported 78mm tb from potz performance you are in the same bracket as the guy who wasted $800 for the BBK.And the ls6 guy is only out $75 for the tb and has the same performance.
So for you guys out there if you have a ls6 keep it!!! When it comes to bolt on modz!!Port the tb or buy an 80MM but IT IS better to get one from Potz Performance on ebay and save your money.
BBk is not worth it if you """"""""""already have a ls6 intake""""""""""".
If you have an ls1 intake then the BBK would be something to look at but not if you have the ls6!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLAIN AND SIMPLE""" IF YOU HAVE THE LS6""" DO YOU WASTE $800 ON THE bbK FOR A WOPPING 5 RWHP OR DO YOU DO THE SMART THING AND BUY SOME HEADS AND CAM WITH THE $800 YOU DID NOT WASTE!! WHICH WILL MAKE YOU 20-30 RWHP
Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by ws6man29; 01-27-2012 at 04:07 PM.
01-27-2012 | 04:14 PM
#70
I don't have much else to say to you about the subject to you... You are being very closed minded/ignorant/biased.
You can spin it whatever way you want to make you feel better, the fact is for just a few more bucks you can make a few more Rwhp.
I am unsubscribing, I stopped posting for a while because of people like you.
You can spin it whatever way you want to make you feel better, the fact is for just a few more bucks you can make a few more Rwhp.
I am unsubscribing, I stopped posting for a while because of people like you.
01-27-2012 | 04:15 PM
#71
Yes just jump on and agree... Don't look at the facts. THIS is how bad information is spread and why people make misinformed decision.
If you don't know what you are talking about, don't know all the facts, etc... A. Don't post B. Don't agree or disagree with a post.
If you don't know what you are talking about, don't know all the facts, etc... A. Don't post B. Don't agree or disagree with a post.
01-27-2012 | 04:23 PM
#73
i guess you are the""" THE UNFORTUNATE PERSON"" who would spend $800 for 5 rwhp thru an intake instead of using it towards a head and cam!!!!
You fool
01-27-2012 | 04:28 PM
#74
i currently have an ls6 intake on my 02 camaro z28 with stock tb. What kind of gains would i possibly see if i got like a fast 92/92 or 102/102? I currently have ported 5.3 heads, torquer v2, ls6 intake, slp cai and lid, pacesetter lts, tsp true duals dumped bullets, and hp tune. Thanks for all input
01-27-2012 | 04:28 PM
#75
Im out too. Idk why the hell you would buy the BBK new when all day you can get the manifold and TB used for 500. LS6s are selling for around 325 these days. So for 175 or 50 at most if you reuse your stock TB you have a manifold that gained a solid 10rwhp and 15 rwtq on a STOCK LS6. I dont know why you wouldnt take it off. IMO the only reasons to run an LS6 are if you are staying bone stock to collect the car or show it, if you boost your motor and want to save some money or if you run the money maker kit. Other than that rip it off asap. You guys can keep believing that it will be ok until 450rwhp and guys like Lemons and myself will take the smart route and make more power
01-27-2012 | 04:32 PM
#76
You aren't teaching me anything, you have shown me your ignorance in this thread. You say you sell these intakes? Do you own a shop? If so that sucks for some people... Are you a phone guy/salesman at a shop? If so, this all makes sense.
Watch it with the name calling.
See ya!
01-27-2012 | 04:34 PM
#77
Im out too. Idk why the hell you would buy the BBK new when all day you can get the manifold and TB used for 500. LS6s are selling for around 325 these days. So for 175 or 50 at most if you reuse your stock TB you have a manifold that gained a solid 10rwhp and 15 rwtq on a STOCK LS6. I dont know why you wouldnt take it off. IMO the only reasons to run an LS6 are if you are staying bone stock to collect the car or show it, if you boost your motor and want to save some money or if you run the money maker kit. Other than that rip it off asap. You guys can keep believing that it will be ok until 450rwhp and guys like Lemons and myself will take the smart route and make more power
I ran a ported 102 setup on my H/C 346.
And made way more power over my SLP ls6 intake/ported TB setup.
01-27-2012 | 04:36 PM
#78
I'm mixed on this. If I had a stock TB and a LS1 intake, I would buy a BBK for sure. Unless I found a LS6 intake cheap, like $250 that dosnt happen much. Most are $330-350. A BBK 85mm intake is only $399 at NewEra were I got mine. So thats a good deal if you have a LS1 intake still, its 5whp more then a LS6, that like 25% the power gain for not alot more money.
And you can port them pretty easy, maybe even fit a used 90mm TB on them. But Ive found most 346s are fine with a 85MM TB. The BBK is really nice compaired to that Profenial Products intake, Ive worked with 2 of them, and there were both junk. That heat soak stuff is BS, after the dyno pull I could push my hand hard on the BBK and keep it there. Warm not hot, just the same as my LS6 gets.
If I had a LS6 intake and a ported stock TB I don't think I'd buy a BBK, but then agian it was amost have the gains of the fast over the really good LS6 intake with a 75mm TB. And I could, and I'm going to sell my LS6 for 330-350$ and my ported stock TB for $100.
The fast intake is a lot of money all setup on your car, I was hoping to make 420whp and was disapointed on the 415whp. But even Mike at new era said he sees a lot of cars that don't gain 13-15whp over a LS6, and with tunning only gaina 9-11 kinda sucks for the money. But its true if you have stock heads, and cubes. But I've seen cars gain 25-30 with smaller 370-383cube deals, and good heads, over the LS6.
And you can port them pretty easy, maybe even fit a used 90mm TB on them. But Ive found most 346s are fine with a 85MM TB. The BBK is really nice compaired to that Profenial Products intake, Ive worked with 2 of them, and there were both junk. That heat soak stuff is BS, after the dyno pull I could push my hand hard on the BBK and keep it there. Warm not hot, just the same as my LS6 gets.
If I had a LS6 intake and a ported stock TB I don't think I'd buy a BBK, but then agian it was amost have the gains of the fast over the really good LS6 intake with a 75mm TB. And I could, and I'm going to sell my LS6 for 330-350$ and my ported stock TB for $100.
The fast intake is a lot of money all setup on your car, I was hoping to make 420whp and was disapointed on the 415whp. But even Mike at new era said he sees a lot of cars that don't gain 13-15whp over a LS6, and with tunning only gaina 9-11 kinda sucks for the money. But its true if you have stock heads, and cubes. But I've seen cars gain 25-30 with smaller 370-383cube deals, and good heads, over the LS6.
2- Heat Soak is not a problem
3- Note that Mike even states with different heads the gains would have been more and studderin is cam only
01-27-2012 | 04:40 PM
#79
and somehow we are the fools???
Cheers
Last edited by My6speedZ; 01-27-2012 at 05:04 PM.
01-27-2012 | 05:00 PM
#80
LOL! I love this thread: Look, IMO everything depends in how you can afford parts, If it would be me I'd just stay with the LS6 intake and buy me a bigger cam, gears and a Dyno tune since I would have the ported 5.3 heads.
If I would have money to spend I minus well go with a Fast 102, Even Tony Mamo says its not overkill, it's just a myth on loosing low end with a FAST 102.
If I would have money to spend I minus well go with a Fast 102, Even Tony Mamo says its not overkill, it's just a myth on loosing low end with a FAST 102.