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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 10:37 AM
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Me and my son want to do a small engine swap and i would love to here what the first steps are, where to get more info on out type of build and if anyone has done it what do i need to exspect. thanks ahead for any and all help..We have a 1994 chevy silverado 1500 choo choo short bed it had a dead sbc 350 with a 4l60e. I just bought a 2007 cadillac escalade with the 6.2 l92 engine and we want to swap it in the 94. It will be for a 19 year old boy so it need to be a daily and weekender. Where do we start?

1. does this engine have VVT,DOD,AFM? if so do i have to delete?
2. We want to do a carb swap. What all needs to be done to do so? (i have read about the msd 6010)?
3. Would love to connect it to a turbo 350 tranny?
4. Do we need to upgrade Cam shaft and lifters?
5.on a small setup like this. What would you guess HP would be?

thanks again and sorry for dumb questions

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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 11:54 AM
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1. Google or even Wikipedia would have answered this. An 07 L92 has VVT but no DOD/AFM.

2. You're taking one of the best and easiest OEM fuel injection setups and tossing it in the garbage. If you want to carb an LS, it would have been MUCH easier to swap in a 383,396,454, etc. MSD 6012 will be needed for an L92

3. Bellhousing pattern is the same. Bolts right up.

4. I'm not even sure how to answer this question.

5. Whatever its rated for from the factory, minus about 40% fuel economy for the carburetor and TH350.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 11:55 AM
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That engine should have vvt but no afm.
You will need to delete the vvt to run a carb.
Youll need the msd 6012.
You can run a th350 trans just have to make sure you either get a converter built for an ls or use the crank spacer kit.
You will likely want a new cam.
They make roughly 408hp in stock form so you can expect at least that, with a cam prob 470+ crank hp.
We hsve all the parts youll need for that also. Email me
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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in short you are telling me to keep the fuel injection? would/could I use the om ecm? to do this?
also sounds like the vvt is (in some cases) better?
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 12:27 PM
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Vvt isnt better.

A carb would make for alot cleaner and easier install and less overall cost really. I would go that way.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 12:29 PM
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Several ways to do it. Keeping the stock PCM/wiring is very possible. Then you can keep the stock intake, fuel rails, injectors, sensors, etc. You already have it all, seems like a waste to not use it. Someone will have to flash the PCM for you so the engine will start when its not in the factory vehicle. You can send it out for a cheap mail order tune/flash and pick up 15 HP or so and have it unlocked for $150-200.

I personally like the VVT, most people just delete it. If you stick with the stock cam/tune, just keep it. The problem with the VVT is upgrading cams, etc. Lots of tuners have very little experience with the VVT and prefer to avoid it. There are lots of companies out there that sell EXCELLENT VVT cams.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 01:31 PM
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Thanks for so many great replies. I have already learn more in the past couple hours than I have in the past few weeks that makes since to me.. thanks again. I'm going to start doing research on VVT vs vvt deletes. I like the carb swap but being on a very tight budget and just adopting 5 young girls on top of my 3 sons and just getting over christmas its hard to do.
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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Vvt isnt better.

A carb would make for alot cleaner and easier install and less overall cost really. I would go that way.
I normally try not to bash sponsors, but he has the ENTIRE powertrain with ALL electrical wiring from a donor vehicle. Going carb would be stupid at best, and the fact that you suggested such is ridiculous.
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Old Dec 30, 2017 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gametech
I normally try not to bash sponsors, but he has the ENTIRE powertrain with ALL electrical wiring from a donor vehicle. Going carb would be stupid at best, and the fact that you suggested such is ridiculous.

You are entitled to your opinion, but, based of what op has to say about doing this swap and likely being more accustomed to carb setups plus having less wiring to do and then relying on a tuner to properly tune the vvt if he keeps it, thats alot of extra going on.
When customers have so many questions and seem to get overwhelmed by the fuel injection part, most times its easier to find out what they are comfortable with and go from there.
He would also need to wire in a fuel pump that is capable of the fuel he would need plus regulator and adapt lines etc etc etc vs just using the pump he has on a carb, plugging in a 6012 and run it. Connecting a carb ls to a th350 is a bit easier than an efi ls with no provision for a kickdown cable etc etc. He has laid out the basic framework of what he wants to do, im encouraging him to follow his train of thought.
Now which is easier?
Not everyone can pull off a fuel injected ls swap...we have fixed so many projects where the customer is off in left field taking advice from too many sources or just getting parts ***** nilly.

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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
He would also need to wire in a fuel pump that is capable of the fuel he would need plus regulator and adapt lines etc etc etc vs just using the pump he has on a carb, plugging in a 6012 and run it. Connecting a carb ls to a th350 is a bit easier than an efi ls with no provision for a kickdown cable etc etc. He has laid out the basic framework of what he wants to do, im encouraging him to follow his train of though.
Now which is easier?
Exactly correct. Retrofitting is not that simple at all. An LS swap with the K.I.S.S. principle applied is a very decent approach. Less ugly wiring and overall nicer nostalgic look.

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Old Jan 6, 2018 | 04:36 PM
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Starting from scratch a carb swap is always easier. With a complete donor vehicle and swapping into a truck that already has fuel injection and a 4l60e means a carb/th350 is going to be more expensive and harder to manage. I'd just yank the front clip off both trucks and just slide the new drivetrain across as is. Then a mail order tune and call it a day
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Hi Patrick, I manufacture the IGN-8 Ignition Controller that INCLUDES the VVT GPOI driver.
You can adjust the Cam position using the object RPM/MAP/TPS for cam position control.
The DOD REMOVAL is easy, just fit the Block-Off's.

I sell the GPMM intakes for use with a carb.

You WILL need to install "limiters" into the VVT hydralic motor.

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