WADDISME

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As someone who has both, '99ta a4 and '02 WS6 M6, I can say I prefer the M6 most of the time. There are times after a 3 hour tennis match that I wish I had the A4 with me, but the rest of the time, I like the M6. For my generation, I am 45, autos were made for women, and sticks were for men. But this generation is different. Plus I don't race or drag mine (yet).

BTW, I am a newbie here. How do you refer to a regular TA vs a TA with Ram Air and the WS6? I haven't been able to pick it out of anyone's sigs.

FelixIlka

Men - Know not to argue as they know both are great in their own right
Boys - Have to argue to stroke their ego's

darrensls1formula

But you also are talking about a time when automatics had nothing to offer performance wise. I am in the computer business and back in 1990 the disk drive that was most used and sought after in the DEC world was a RA82-AA. This thing was about 3 feet long, 2 feet wide and weighed about 150 lbs. Here's the kicker, it only had a capacity of 622mb. It took two people to carry this thing. shoot up a few years and they had the weight and height cut in half while they doubled the capacity in the form of RA90. Now we have 80gb disks that fit in the palm of your hand. You could do more with one computer on your desk then a computer room full of old 1990 technology.

But there are still people, not many but a few, that use RA82's and ask if we have spare HDA's laying around. What does any of this have to do with cars? I dunno but it sounded cool.

J/K

Back in your day (70's) the automatic transmission technology sucked. Back then it was have a manual or be slow. But you can't seriously compare that technology to things we have for LS1 F-bodies today like powerglides, TH400 with transbrake, High stall lockup torque converters with insanely high STR's, shift kits, ect. That would be an apples to oranges comparison.

I used to manually shift my cars back in the late 80's and early 90's. I also used to use type writers and rotory telephones. But I see technology as a good thing in all aspects of life, including cars.

I don't see how that makes me a child or a woman. I see it as making me modern and giving me an edge in drag racing.

We just refer to a WS6 as just that. WS6. Ta with ram air would just be a TA and then maybe you could list the RA kit or Hood in the mod list portion of your sig. I've seen that before. Might look like this:

2000 Trans Am M6, 3.73 gears, hooker catback, functional WS6 hood, ect

I have also seen people refer to them as WS7. That's a TA that was converterd to a WS6 with aftermarket hood, rims, suspension, ect. They even have emblems you can put on your car.

NBM2k2SS

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A Trans Am is a TA and and a Trans Am WS6 is just a WS6 or WS6 TA. A TA with ram is a WS6 unless they added a WS6 hood, then in that case its still a TA. Hope that was what you were looking for.

Ohh yeah M6 alllll The Way

NBM2k2SS

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haha you posted that before I sent mine

1 BLOWN V8

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A4's are more efficient, M6's give more live action adn the fun factor.
Because of the gearing the M6 has a higher Top End, and also will pull harder in teh higher gears then the A4. A4 3rd gear is a 1:1 where the M6 is something like 1.25:1 so its shorter but is long enough to pull harder then the 1:1 this is why the 3rd gear is so notorious.

JMHO

On a a4 with a cam, bolt ons, stall and 342 gears ( VS ) a cam, bolt on, 342 gears M6 on the freeway going from a 65 MPH roll when will the M6 start to pull hard

02WS6Bird

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[QUOTE]the M6 will take advantage of the gearing in the trans yes, but it wont pull very far, if much at all, if AT ALL...a stalled A4 can do wonders, and the stall virtually eliminates the dead spot in the Tranny due to tuning, and sometimes a shift kit or removal of Torque Management. The M6 will beat it in the top end, has a solid extra gear or 2 to climb the RPMs with

1 BLOWN V8

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[QUOTE=02WS6Bird]So would you say after 110-120 mph is where the M6 will have the advantage or will it be at a lower mph?

RevGTO

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Oh yeah? Then why are people putting Turbo 400's and 350's behind their LS1's today? And I second your question - what DID happen to the Colonel?

02WS6Bird

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I'd say more around 120+ but it wouldnt be much of a win for the M6...the A4 will run out of RPM's quicker but a stalled A4 w/ 3.42's will get up to speed quicker then the M6

nvrstsfd23

It really just a choice because there are plenty of bad *** LS1 with both. The m6 is just more of a challenge because you doing the shifting and IMO driving the street and being able to shift is awesome but sucks in traffic jams but oh well.

mustgofasster

Unless Your On A Track That Has Excessive Turns Like Hair Pin Turns Ect. A Stick Has Virtually No Advantage Over An Automatic In Fact They Have A Dissadvantage Because Everytime You Ingage The Clutch You Are Puting The Car In Neutral So All Your Horse Power Is Also In Neutral Meaning Thier Useless! (go Look Inside Of A Normal Dragster And Look For A Clutch Pedal )

02WS6Bird

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Good theory, however if you know how to shift quickly, and/or do powershifting it makes little-no difference

the Gearing in the M6 is not as spread out as the Auto's are go figure, this will allow it to pull harder because of the time it is in the powerband.

darrensls1formula

But power shifting is not good for the car or so I have heard. Now you take an auto and put in a 3500 stall with a 4400 shift extension and you got power band galore that has fast and consistent shifts each and every time. Not much good for highway runs or road courses but it makes a heck of a difference at a drag strip or at a red light.

M6's rule the highways, road courses, gas mileage and "fun factor". Automatics rule the drag strip, city streets and rush hour traffic. Both have thier +'s and -'s and both have thier followers and naysayers.

gwcrim

What a wonderful pissing contest!

I'm another old fart that grew up driving and racing a stick. I got an A4 in my SS though. It's nice for drinking and driving because the cup holders in these things SUCK. But other than that, I sure wish I'd have gotten a stick.

The 1-2 shift in the auto is OK. The 2-3 shift takes 10-15 minutes just like the old Torqueflites I drove. I was hoping that technology had caught up with autos. Guess not.

And as for the drag racing advantage, the auto is simpler, more popular (because of lack of shifting skill), and easier to be consistant in bracket racing. Manuals, if set up properly with a nice loose clutch will run every bit as quick/fast as an auto, if not better. Been there, done that.

pornstar68

hey you guys are fighting like two school girls over the team quarterback now come on guys normally the A4 is better for draging unless you have someone who can shifts super fast but the m6 is a hell of a lot more fun to drive and is better on a road course

natronathon

Im not sure why everybody says a manual is more fun to drive. Sure it takes more concentration, but whether you are "moving through gears with ur right hand" or "just holding the shifter" such as in an auto, in my mind, makes absolutely no difference on how fun it is to drive. Im sick and tired of everyone bashing guys who buy autos as being unskilled in driving a manual. Most auto guys got their cars because they like the car as a whole, I know i didnt buy my auto cause I "had no skill in driving a manual". I can drive a manual damn well, and have just as much skill at driving one as most of you "manual owners" do. I respect everyone's decision in buying whatever LS1 they liked. auto or manual. Personally Id like to have one of both. But, If i had to choose, id take the auto.

Respect that decision or dont. Thats up to you

adillhoff

Every car I've had has been a manual. It comes down to how good you are at driving. If you miss a gear while dragging then you obviously need to learn your car a little better. Sure, no human can shift faster than an automatic can, but you have so much more control of your car with a manual. Each one has their benefits. It just comes down to personal opinion so stop bitching at each other. If you like to sit around all day and enjoy a boring drive, then do that. In my opinion, a manual transmission keeps me more aware of what I'm doing and less bored while driving. I feel a lot more control with the M6 as well. Traffic isn't a problem because shifting is second nature now and is in no way a hassle for me. Automatics and Manuals are quickly being improved and each one is good to have. Seriously though, just drop this huge argument because nobody is going to win. Enjoy the car you have and do what you want to do with it because nobody cares if you drive an automatic or manual.

dreammmatt

What on earth did you say, man...
This is what I got outta it...

so when you drive a manual it's like driving an automatic because you downshift by matching the revs with the overall tire to road rpms. When you get it like this you shift the manual transmission into automatic and then the car starts flying so you shift down into neutral so you can slide a corner with an automaticly manual transmission that allows for overall grip ratio to be improved 10 fold meaning that you get the same kind of speed as a manual RX-7 turbo

lol

99FormulaM6

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my old 96 ta was a a4...i liked it. damn fast and everything, but not knowing exactly when it would shift bothered my...expecially in turns. having the *** slide out from under you unexpectedly sucks. and yes, m6 in traffic sucks