Ryda85

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hey guys...i have been looking for an 01-02 ws6 for a while now....cant seem to find the right one. i came across a 1999 ws6 with under 30k miles. the guy wants $16,000 firm..wont budge an inch.

is this car worth that amount? also is it worth it to wait a little longer and find an 01/02? what are the differences between the 2? thanks guys

JEB99TA

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https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-owners-newbie-tech/213148-jrp-s-faq-commonly-asked-questions.html

RPM WS6

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All depends on condition..... have you seen the car in person yet?

Ryda85

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no but accprding to the seller it it supposed to be in PRIMO condition. always garage kept...no snow/rain..yadda yadda yadda

MagikMan

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yeah man, it's a sweet ride. the 99's have a bigger cam, and you can get a ls6 intake for 325, and you are no different than the 01's and 02's other than you make more power with that cam!

RPM WS6

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Don't trust a word the owner tells you till you see it in person. When I was shopping for an LS1 car last year, I was lied to by so many sellers about actual condition that when I read "mint" condition I actually began expecting the cars to look like rabid dogs lived in them and tigers used them as scratching posts. Well ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea.

Just because they say no rain/snow doesn't mean anything. I've read those claims about 15K mile cars, then checked them out and been seriously disappointed about the actual condition. Some people are more picky than others.....just so happens I'm about as picky as they come.

I must have looked at somewhere between 15-20 LS1 cars with under 30K miles before I found one that met my strict condition requirements.

JEB99TA

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... incorrect.

The 99's also have the E.G.R. and A.I.R. pump which clutter the engine bay, and the exhaust manifolds flow nowhere NEAR as good as the later model cars. For that kind of money, you can get a newer model F-Body in 'PRIMO' condition. Read the link to JRP's write-up and you'll know the differences. I posted it for you up top.

BlueSix

$16K is too much for a '99.

wickedwarlock

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I agree, way to much for a 99, I just bought mine for $8150, lol. with quit a bit of mods (sig), just need to send him the rest, lol.

badhoopty

i think alot of the pricing depends on the area of the country in which you live and who you know.

i looked like crazy for a loong time before i found a 98 ws6 with 28k for 14. you will end up paying alot more just for the hood cleavage. i'm tickled pink with my car but knowing what i do now i aint so sure i would have been so decided on a ram air trans am when the z28s are considerably cheaper.

loyolacub68

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RPM WS6

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Actually, his statement was more correct than you might think. '97-'00 cam was not smaller than the '01/'02 cam, the overall profile was just different. The newer ('01/'02) cam gave more low rpm grunt than the older style cam. If anything, you could in fact say that the '97-'00 cam was "bigger", as it provided higher valve lift.

As for the manifolds, there is only a slight improvement in flow going to '00-'02 iron manifolds. To say that the '98-'99 F-body manifolds "flow nowhere NEAR as good" is an exaggeration. Flow difference will offer very minimal dyno or track gains (if any at all) on an otherwise stock motor.

Overall, the full '01/'02 package (intake, cam, manifolds) will offer a bit of extra power over the older LS1s, but nothing drastic on average.

As for the price, as was said above, it all depends on your location and actual in-person condition.

DrEvyl

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No kidding. I just bought a '98 with 29,000 miles for $12K.

BlueSix

You stole the rarest of rares for $12K.

Something else about the 01+ cars you all are forgeting...better head castings.

DrEvyl

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Bluebook on the car was only ~$11K, actually. Not accounting for the rarity of the car, though. I don't think 4th gens have gotten to the point where the rare ones will command high dollar yet.

There was one of the two red '98 Formula ragtops on Ebay a few weeks ago, and they had the starting bid at $35K. It didn't get a single bid. Option-wise, it's a 1 of 1 car, a model they never "officially" produced.. Definitely a collector car if there ever was one... but no one bit on it.

Ryda85

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thanks for the input guys. i called him again today and hes not budging from the 16k mark. he says the car is taken care of too much to let it go for less. here are some pics he sent me:

JEB99TA

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You need to go back and read what I posted ... I never said the late model cams were larger. I have a '99 and I very well KNOW the differences. Also, if you look at the flow numbers, you'll clearly see the design of the manifolds in 2000 DOES flow SUBSTANTIALLY better than the older design manifolds, thus, the EGR/AIR pump on the '98-'99 cars ... to comply with 50-state/C.A.R.B. emissions requirements.

You really need to read and understand what I've posted before you get in here and try to bust my chops. Do your research, as well, 'cause you really aren't making yourself look very good.

RPM WS6

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You said the original poster was incorrect in stating that the earlier cam was larger. In fact, his statement was correct in terms of lift numbers.

This statement is misleading. The AIR pump was present on all LS1 F-cars cars from '98 to '02, the change to cast iron manifolds did not have any impact on the need for an AIR system. As for EGR, '00 models still had the EGR system even with the new manifolds because they shared the same cam as '99 and prior. It was the cam change in '01 that releived them of EGR, not a manifold change.

As for the gains to be had from '00 and up manifolds, I haven't known many people to bother taking the time and money to actually test this, but I did know one person who did and the gains were nothing significant. And that was on a H/C car too.

I've done enough LS1 research to choke a horse. How I "look" to you is of zero consequence to me.

JEB99TA

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I wasn't saying incorrect to this part of the statement.:
I was saying incorrect to THIS part of the statement:
So, yes, you misquoted me because you misunderstood what I was saying ... which is the fact that the guy wasa saying the cam and LS6 intake are the only differences. This quote was not from the original poster. It's from magikman, by the way. I wasn't quoting the original poster as you implicated I was.

Yeah, you're right, I should've left the A.I.R. pump out of it and I know well that the cam was larger on the '99, regardless of the lift (what was the duration/ICL?), thus, the reasoning for the E.G.R. removal when the smaller cam replaced the earlier, larger cam ... to satsify EPC/emission standards. And since the LS6 intake replaced the LS1 intake, though the 01-02 cam was 'smaller', it took the crank rating from 305 to 310 HP.

As for the comment about you not caring what I think of you, well, I can see why you made that comment ... no gripe there. I was very tired and shooting from the hip ... madew myself look pretty stupid ... I was wrong and shouldn't have made the comment I made about your research ... my apologies for that, as well.

RPM WS6

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No problem. We're all LS1 brothers on here.

Now, drinks are on me!

Oh yeah, to answer this question (partially), last time I saw stock LS1 cam specs published they were:

'98-'00 F-body V8: 198/209//.498/.497//119LSA
'01-'02 F-body V8: 196/208//.464/.479//115LSA

Not sure on the Intake Centerline spec though.