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hey guys...i have been looking for an 01-02 ws6 for a while now....cant seem to find the right one. i came across a 1999 ws6 with under 30k miles. the guy wants $16,000 firm..wont budge an inch.
is this car worth that amount? also is it worth it to wait a little longer and find an 01/02? what are the differences between the 2? thanks guys
is this car worth that amount? also is it worth it to wait a little longer and find an 01/02? what are the differences between the 2? thanks guys
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Originally Posted by Ryda85
i came across a 1999 ws6 with under 30k miles. the guy wants $16,000 firm..wont budge an inch.
is this car worth that amount?
is this car worth that amount?
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yeah man, it's a sweet ride. the 99's have a bigger cam, and you can get a ls6 intake for 325, and you are no different than the 01's and 02's other than you make more power with that cam!
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Originally Posted by Ryda85
no but accprding to the seller it it supposed to be in PRIMO condition. always garage kept...no snow/rain..yadda yadda yadda
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Just because they say no rain/snow doesn't mean anything. I've read those claims about 15K mile cars, then checked them out and been seriously disappointed about the actual condition. Some people are more picky than others.....just so happens I'm about as picky as they come.
I must have looked at somewhere between 15-20 LS1 cars with under 30K miles before I found one that met my strict condition requirements.
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yeah man, it's a sweet ride. the 99's have a bigger cam, and you can get a ls6 intake for 325, and you are no different than the 01's and 02's other than you make more power with that cam!
The 99's also have the E.G.R. and A.I.R. pump which clutter the engine bay, and the exhaust manifolds flow nowhere NEAR as good as the later model cars. For that kind of money, you can get a newer model F-Body in 'PRIMO' condition. Read the link to JRP's write-up and you'll know the differences. I posted it for you up top.
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Originally Posted by BlueSix
$16K is too much for a '99.
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i think alot of the pricing depends on the area of the country in which you live and who you know.
i looked like crazy for a loong time before i found a 98 ws6 with 28k for 14. you will end up paying alot more just for the hood cleavage. i'm tickled pink with my car but knowing what i do now i aint so sure i would have been so decided on a ram air trans am when the z28s are considerably cheaper.
i looked like crazy for a loong time before i found a 98 ws6 with 28k for 14. you will end up paying alot more just for the hood cleavage. i'm tickled pink with my car but knowing what i do now i aint so sure i would have been so decided on a ram air trans am when the z28s are considerably cheaper.
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Originally Posted by MagikMan
yeah man, it's a sweet ride. the 99's have a bigger cam, and you can get a ls6 intake for 325, and you are no different than the 01's and 02's other than you make more power with that cam!
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Originally Posted by JEB99TA
... incorrect.
The 99's also have the E.G.R. and A.I.R. pump which clutter the engine bay, and the exhaust manifolds flow nowhere NEAR as good as the later model cars. For that kind of money, you can get a newer model F-Body in 'PRIMO' condition. Read the link to JRP's write-up and you'll know the differences. I posted it for you up top.
The 99's also have the E.G.R. and A.I.R. pump which clutter the engine bay, and the exhaust manifolds flow nowhere NEAR as good as the later model cars. For that kind of money, you can get a newer model F-Body in 'PRIMO' condition. Read the link to JRP's write-up and you'll know the differences. I posted it for you up top.
As for the manifolds, there is only a slight improvement in flow going to '00-'02 iron manifolds. To say that the '98-'99 F-body manifolds "flow nowhere NEAR as good" is an exaggeration. Flow difference will offer very minimal dyno or track gains (if any at all) on an otherwise stock motor.
Overall, the full '01/'02 package (intake, cam, manifolds) will offer a bit of extra power over the older LS1s, but nothing drastic on average.
As for the price, as was said above, it all depends on your location and actual in-person condition.
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Originally Posted by DrEvyl
No kidding. I just bought a '98 with 29,000 miles for $12K.
Something else about the 01+ cars you all are forgeting...better head castings.
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Originally Posted by BlueSix
You stole the rarest of rares for $12K.
There was one of the two red '98 Formula ragtops on Ebay a few weeks ago, and they had the starting bid at $35K. It didn't get a single bid. Option-wise, it's a 1 of 1 car, a model they never "officially" produced.. Definitely a collector car if there ever was one... but no one bit on it.
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RPM WS6 > Actually, his statement was more correct than you might think. '97-'00 cam was not smaller than the '01/'02 cam, the overall profile was just different. The newer ('01/'02) cam gave more low rpm grunt than the older style cam. If anything, you could in fact say that the '97-'00 cam was "bigger", as it provided higher valve lift.
You really need to read and understand what I've posted before you get in here and try to bust my chops. Do your research, as well, 'cause you really aren't making yourself look very good.
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Originally Posted by JEB99TA
You need to go back and read what I posted ... I never said the late model cams were larger.
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the design of the manifolds in 2000 DOES flow SUBSTANTIALLY better than the older design manifolds, thus, the EGR/AIR pump on the '98-'99 cars ... to comply with 50-state/C.A.R.B. emissions requirements.
As for the gains to be had from '00 and up manifolds, I haven't known many people to bother taking the time and money to actually test this, but I did know one person who did and the gains were nothing significant. And that was on a H/C car too.
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I wasn't saying incorrect to this part of the statement.:
I was saying incorrect to THIS part of the statement:
So, yes, you misquoted me because you misunderstood what I was saying ... which is the fact that the guy wasa saying the cam and LS6 intake are the only differences. This quote was not from the original poster. It's from magikman, by the way. I wasn't quoting the original poster as you implicated I was.
Yeah, you're right, I should've left the A.I.R. pump out of it and I know well that the cam was larger on the '99, regardless of the lift (what was the duration/ICL?), thus, the reasoning for the E.G.R. removal when the smaller cam replaced the earlier, larger cam ... to satsify EPC/emission standards. And since the LS6 intake replaced the LS1 intake, though the 01-02 cam was 'smaller', it took the crank rating from 305 to 310 HP.
As for the comment about you not caring what I think of you, well, I can see why you made that comment ... no gripe there. I was very tired and shooting from the hip ... madew myself look pretty stupid ... I was wrong and shouldn't have made the comment I made about your research ... my apologies for that, as well.
yeah man, it's a sweet ride. the 99's have a bigger cam, and you can get a ls6 intake for 325
and you are no different than the 01's and 02's other than you make more power with that cam!
Yeah, you're right, I should've left the A.I.R. pump out of it and I know well that the cam was larger on the '99, regardless of the lift (what was the duration/ICL?), thus, the reasoning for the E.G.R. removal when the smaller cam replaced the earlier, larger cam ... to satsify EPC/emission standards. And since the LS6 intake replaced the LS1 intake, though the 01-02 cam was 'smaller', it took the crank rating from 305 to 310 HP.
As for the comment about you not caring what I think of you, well, I can see why you made that comment ... no gripe there. I was very tired and shooting from the hip ... madew myself look pretty stupid ... I was wrong and shouldn't have made the comment I made about your research ... my apologies for that, as well.
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Originally Posted by JEB99TA
As for the comment about you not caring what I think of you, well, I can see why you made that comment ... no gripe there. I was very tired and shooting from the hip ... madew myself look pretty stupid ... I was wrong and shouldn't have made the comment I made about your research ... my apologies for that, as well. ![Cheers!!](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_cheers.gif)
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and I know well that the cam was larger on the '99, regardless of the lift (what was the duration/ICL?),
'98-'00 F-body V8: 198/209//.498/.497//119LSA
'01-'02 F-body V8: 196/208//.464/.479//115LSA
Not sure on the Intake Centerline spec though.
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