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Old 06-19-2008, 05:16 PM
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I have a 3600 Vig converter and basic bolt ons and stock gears and run 11.9-12.0@108.XMPH consistantly.

Remeber when choosing a converter a Vig 3600 is equal to a Yank SS4000. They will boh flash to 4000Rpms once you go WOT

I have driven a sy-st3500 Yank, a PT4400 Yank, and my 3600 Vig

The PT4400 is quite possibly the most violent launch I have ever experienced.

The 3500 Yank was decent but very mild compared to the other two I have driven

From what I've gathered figure out what the long term plans for the car are...

If it's strictly a N/A weekend warrior I'd go Yank PT4400/4000 but just as driveable as both other conveters. There all pretty much the same until lockup, but WOT the bigger converter shines...

If N20 is anywhere down the line 3600 Vig or Yank SS4000

If this is a 99%(only race 2-4 times a year/never plan to run DR's) Street car I'd go Vig 3200 or SS3600

It all depends on your goals and application....
But a big stalled car will make you forget all about those M6 cars

Try to find someone in your area with a converter similar to what your considering
Old 06-19-2008, 06:07 PM
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If you loose mileage it will be because you wont be able to keep your foot out of it!
Normal driving=minimal loss in mpg
agressive driving=bigger loss in mpg
Old 06-19-2008, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 98catfish
If you loose mileage it will be because you wont be able to keep your foot out of it!
Thats not good since I already have that problem with the stock stall and bolt-on's.
Old 06-19-2008, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by green28
Thats not good since I already have that problem with the stock stall and bolt-on's.
Modding is definitely addictive!
Old 06-19-2008, 07:01 PM
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stall if you drag race all the time
gears if you just drive the car
Old 06-19-2008, 07:03 PM
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Stall fa shooo!
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Originally Posted by 02silvaZ
stall if you drag race all the time
gears if you just drive the car
That is soooooo wrong!

stall first then gears! unless you break the rear or can afford a new 12 or better or race frequently(in which case you need a new rear)gear is not noticeable enough unless you go to 3.73s or so. With a gear you will lose mpg.

Doug
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id do both stall/gears at the same time!!


im running vigilante 3200 and 3.73 for my car.
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Originally Posted by green28
So if I kept the 2.73's for awhile with a 3600 it won't hurt the mileage that bad? I get about 23 mpg now and I could live with only losing about 2 with the stall.
Depends on your driving.. in city driving stop and go traffic is where you will see a couple MPG loss with a stall. If you do gears you will get worse mileage by a couple mpg on the highway. I average around 17-18 mpg in my car with a Vig 3600 and 3.73 gears driving in 70% city traffic on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted by 98catfish
That is soooooo wrong!

stall first then gears! unless you break the rear or can afford a new 12 or better or race frequently(in which case you need a new rear)gear is not noticeable enough unless you go to 3.73s or so. With a gear you will lose mpg.

Doug
why would i wanna big loose stall when just cruising around?
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heres a question, what about fuddle? I have pretty much decided on a yank or vig. but i have people offering these other brands to me and just curious what you guys think. Thanks again
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i went from running a4 with 2.73s with a 13.00 then to a 3400 stall and 3.42s with a 12.41


i would go with a 3400-3600 and 3.23 gears oh and thats with a fuddle stall
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Originally Posted by MYSTIC-1SC
heres a question, what about fuddle? I have pretty much decided on a yank or vig. but i have people offering these other brands to me and just curious what you guys think. Thanks again
Fuddle is VERY questionable these days. Stick with Yank or Vig.
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yea, i just did a search and a converter is definetly not something you want to go cheap on considering if the converter were to fail your tranny would very possibly go too. Vig or Yank for me.
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Originally Posted by MYSTIC-1SC
if the converter were to fail your tranny would very possibly go too. Vig or Yank for me.

Been there, done that. Buy a good one and never worry about it again.
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Originally Posted by 02silvaZ
why would i wanna big loose stall when just cruising around?
If you had a 3600 you would'nt have to ask!

A 3600 stall dosnt mean that the car does'nt start moving till 3600. If you drive normal you wont really even feel it till you floor it.

Doug
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Originally Posted by 98catfish
If you had a 3600 you would'nt have to ask!

A 3600 stall dosnt mean that the car does'nt start moving till 3600. If you drive normal you wont really even feel it till you floor it.

Doug

+1 check out the vid of my car.. Vig 3600 (more like a 4000 though). It nowhere near as bad as people think. literally you get used to it after a minutes of driving.

View Video on FQuick
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converter. then gears
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Originally Posted by sixvi6-camaro
+1 check out the vid of my car.. Vig 3600 (more like a 4000 though). It nowhere near as bad as people think. literally you get used to it after a minutes of driving.

View Video on FQuick
Great vid!

Good illustration of the difference.

With my stock stall and 2.73's, with a light foot it'll shift all the way into OD without even passing 2k rpm.

Question: 1/3 of my daily commute is on a long straight rural road with a 35mph speed limit. Traffic usually flows at 40mph. At a steady 40mph, does the converter lock and then you're running <1500 rpm?

I assume it locks on the highway, so highway mileage isn't affected.

I was thining of a mild stall, say a 3k Circle D, and considering I'd keep the 2.73's and I do very little actual stop and go city driving, could I expect a minimal mileage dop? Say only 1-1.5? Or am I crazy?

I drive 64 miles a day, so I need all the mileage I can get!

I'm not looking to make a race car, I just want to wake the thing up a bit. She feels very sluggish with the 2.73's.

Thanks.

Sorry if this is a threadjack.



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