To TR6, or not to TR6?
01-10-2011, 01:58 PM
#41
I see the point you are trying to make, but TR6 plugs will idle smooth/ and will not easily load up in day to day driving. For dd's they are a great plug.
Folks on this site have been using them for over a decade for shots of up to 150.
Now thats on the ragged edge for sure, and few will deny that.
But for 75-100 rwhp hits, on a daily driven ride, you can't argue that the TR6 plugs havn't delivered.
Folks on this site have been using them for over a decade for shots of up to 150.
Now thats on the ragged edge for sure, and few will deny that.
But for 75-100 rwhp hits, on a daily driven ride, you can't argue that the TR6 plugs havn't delivered.
I just don't see why people want to use an inferior plug. I don't care if people have been using it for 10 years or 10 minutes. If there's something better, you should use it.
The problem with the TR6 is that KNOWLEDGABLE people have always known a projected tip plug wasn't the best, but there's always been a TON of misinformation on Tech about it.
01-10-2011, 05:39 PM
#42
They used to think the world was flat.
I will bet that I can get 2 tenths out of a car tuned with TR6's
Everyone is on here to try and go faster (why else put nitrous on the car)
You can SAFELY run more timing in a car with BR7's in it than TR6's and timing is power.
We use TR5's in our car with a 400 shot.... you guys dont know jack!
I will bet that I can get 2 tenths out of a car tuned with TR6's
Everyone is on here to try and go faster (why else put nitrous on the car)
You can SAFELY run more timing in a car with BR7's in it than TR6's and timing is power.
We use TR5's in our car with a 400 shot.... you guys dont know jack!
01-10-2011, 08:04 PM
#43
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They used to think the world was flat.
I will bet that I can get 2 tenths out of a car tuned with TR6's
Everyone is on here to try and go faster (why else put nitrous on the car)
You can SAFELY run more timing in a car with BR7's in it than TR6's and timing is power.
We use TR5's in our car with a 400 shot.... you guys dont know jack!
I will bet that I can get 2 tenths out of a car tuned with TR6's
Everyone is on here to try and go faster (why else put nitrous on the car)
You can SAFELY run more timing in a car with BR7's in it than TR6's and timing is power.
We use TR5's in our car with a 400 shot.... you guys dont know jack!
Thanks for the info.
01-10-2011, 08:32 PM
#44
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I can argue that if your tune is not too fat at idle, a BR6EF or BR7EF won't act stupid either.
I just don't see why people want to use an inferior plug. I don't care if people have been using it for 10 years or 10 minutes. If there's something better, you should use it.
The problem with the TR6 is that KNOWLEDGABLE people have always known a projected tip plug wasn't the best, but there's always been a TON of misinformation on Tech about it.
I just don't see why people want to use an inferior plug. I don't care if people have been using it for 10 years or 10 minutes. If there's something better, you should use it.
The problem with the TR6 is that KNOWLEDGABLE people have always known a projected tip plug wasn't the best, but there's always been a TON of misinformation on Tech about it.
They agreee that they are not the best for nitrous, but they work better then a non-projected plug for daily driven cars that run medium shots.
I would say those two have as much or more experience in nitrous
then about anyone else, wouldn't you?
01-10-2011, 08:53 PM
#46
KNOWLAGEABLE people like Mike at Harris speed or Robert 56 say that TR6's are fine for smaller shots.
They agreee that they are not the best for nitrous, but they work better then a non-projected plug for daily driven cars that run medium shots.
I would say those two have as much or more experience in nitrous
then about anyone else, wouldn't you?
They agreee that they are not the best for nitrous, but they work better then a non-projected plug for daily driven cars that run medium shots.
I would say those two have as much or more experience in nitrous
then about anyone else, wouldn't you?
A cam only 11.6's nitrous car doesn't need anything more than a tr6.
01-10-2011, 08:56 PM
#47
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A TR6 is better then a non-projected plug for daily driven cars.
01-10-2011, 08:57 PM
#48
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01-10-2011, 09:21 PM
#51
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It is quoted often in the projected vs non projected thread.
This is not something I made up.
I am simply repeating what the nitrous gurus have said.
If you can show me anywhere where they have since changed their mind on this issue I will thank you for the updated info.
01-10-2011, 09:27 PM
#52
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01-10-2011, 09:35 PM
#53
Dude. That statement is from robert 56.
It is quoted often in the projected vs non projected thread.
This is not something I made up.
I am simply repeating what the nitrous gurus have said.
If you can show me anywhere where they have since changed their mind on this issue I will thank you for the updated info.
It is quoted often in the projected vs non projected thread.
This is not something I made up.
I am simply repeating what the nitrous gurus have said.
If you can show me anywhere where they have since changed their mind on this issue I will thank you for the updated info.
Read this I copied from the godfather of nitrous Mike Thermos....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...tip-plugs.html
01-10-2011, 09:42 PM
#54
Dude, ask ATV what shot he hits his car with and ask Robert56 what he hits his with. When you come back with the answer, ask yourself who has more tuning experience between the 2. Look at ATV's sig, look at the names in his sig. Those people are the best in the biz, Jeff @ Applied is one of the best tuners in the biz and he is in ATV's sig.
Just for your information, I had br7ef's in my stock cube stock compression ls1 and it idled perfect and it was daily driven for 3 weeks while I fixed my truck. No fouling out or anything (thanks Geoff@EPS)
Just for your information, I had br7ef's in my stock cube stock compression ls1 and it idled perfect and it was daily driven for 3 weeks while I fixed my truck. No fouling out or anything (thanks Geoff@EPS)
01-10-2011, 09:44 PM
#55
I appreciate Robert for the things he's done to attempt to educate the LS1 nitrous guys, but I definitely don't agree with everything he preaches.
I still want you to tell me WHY a TR6 is superior in a daily driver... If you say they don't foul as often, why?
Not trying to be an ***, just trying to have a legit discussion.
I still want you to tell me WHY a TR6 is superior in a daily driver... If you say they don't foul as often, why?
Not trying to be an ***, just trying to have a legit discussion.
01-10-2011, 10:12 PM
#56
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With the high efficiency cylinder head like the LS cars have, a BR7EF should have no problem being daily driven. Now if we get down to say a -11 plug, then I could understand your argument.
Run the Non-projected tip plug, it is the right plug for your application. Like the others have stated, a TR6 will work with the smaller shots but be prone to cause pre-detonation.
Run the Non-projected tip plug, it is the right plug for your application. Like the others have stated, a TR6 will work with the smaller shots but be prone to cause pre-detonation.
01-10-2011, 10:45 PM
#57
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I appreciate Robert for the things he's done to attempt to educate the LS1 nitrous guys, but I definitely don't agree with everything he preaches.
I still want you to tell me WHY a TR6 is superior in a daily driver... If you say they don't foul as often, why?
Not trying to be an ***, just trying to have a legit discussion.
I still want you to tell me WHY a TR6 is superior in a daily driver... If you say they don't foul as often, why?
Not trying to be an ***, just trying to have a legit discussion.
But not so hot as to cause any damage with smaller shots.
If you have added any timing to your stock tune, you are asking for trouble.
But if stock, you will be fine.
My last set of plugs had 6,000 miles on them, and could have easily lasted longer.
My shot is small, 75fwhp. Probably 50ish to the wheels.
Before my cam I ran a 125 hit for a 1/4, coasted to a stop off of the return lane and pulled the plugs.
Electrodes looked fine, and no tell tail flecks of aluminum anywhere to be seen.
But I did pull the 125 jets out, and put in the 100's, because, much to my surprise, my car ran a bit quicker with the 100's. [ no window switch, no dr's killed my 60']
That was some 4 years ago.
Now, understand that this is my own personal experience, and I am not basing my argument on just that.
But it does follow what others have stated on forums for many years.
And when theres that many people making the same statement you have to lend it some measure of crediblity.
01-10-2011, 10:49 PM
#58
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Dude, ask ATV what shot he hits his car with and ask Robert56 what he hits his with. When you come back with the answer, ask yourself who has more tuning experience between the 2. Look at ATV's sig, look at the names in his sig. Those people are the best in the biz, Jeff @ Applied is one of the best tuners in the biz and he is in ATV's sig.
Just for your information, I had br7ef's in my stock cube stock compression ls1 and it idled perfect and it was daily driven for 3 weeks while I fixed my truck. No fouling out or anything (thanks Geoff@EPS)
Just for your information, I had br7ef's in my stock cube stock compression ls1 and it idled perfect and it was daily driven for 3 weeks while I fixed my truck. No fouling out or anything (thanks Geoff@EPS)
Do you consider that a success story that you drove a car for 3 weeks w/o fouling a plug?
01-10-2011, 10:56 PM
#59
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Robert is no Guru.
Read this I copied from the godfather of nitrous Mike Thermos....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...tip-plugs.html
Read this I copied from the godfather of nitrous Mike Thermos....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-o...tip-plugs.html
But for a 75 to 125 shot [50-100rwhp] do you think that heat is building up enough to cause possible damage?
And if it is, wouldn't you see evidense of it when you check your plugs?
01-11-2011, 07:28 AM
#60
I'm out, just keep doing what you doing and we'll keep doing what were doing