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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:31 AM
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I rifled through the old posts and stickies this morning and really didn't find much of a definitive answer on this per se, so if anyone can answer in this post or shoot me a link to the proper info it would be much appreciated.

I am going to be spraying a 100-150 shot this summer, the kit is going to be a wet plate, with nano and a dedicated fuel cell, I do not do my own tuning so it wouldn't be a situation where I could do so on the fly, my question is what is available out there for the average guy to pull timing when kit is activated. On my old 97 Cobra I had an SCT switch chip where I could just turn the car off use a **** to switch b/w three tunes. I also had a stand alone on the same car that would adjust values automatically when the kit was armed.....is anything like this available for LS1? I am looking for the most simplistic and effective way to do so.

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Oh, also I know that the MicroEdge does something with respect to pulling timing, but not sure how involved it is, or if it can be used with any kit, also MSD has something I think too....
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The Microedge can't pull timing but the interface can pull up to 3 degrees. The other 3 that I know are the LNC-002 which can pull up to 15 degrees, the Timing Tuner can pull up to 12 degrees and can also be utilized as a window switch, and the timing twister.
BTW I have a timing tuner for sale, PM if interested.
all of the above can pull timing when nitrous is activated and return to your normal tune when not.
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if you use a WOT switch within a window switch is there way to exclude first gear?

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I have the frost timing box.
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Originally Posted by earlz28
if you use a WOT switch within a window switch is there way to exclude first gear?
The microedge can use your TPS signal for a WOT switch. It is also a window switch that can be programed to exclude 1st gear but as said before it will not retard timing.
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Originally Posted by rambodog
The Microedge can't pull timing but the interface can pull up to 3 degrees. The other 3 that I know are the LNC-002 which can pull up to 15 degrees, the Timing Tuner can pull up to 12 degrees and can also be utilized as a window switch, and the timing twister.
BTW I have a timing tuner for sale, PM if interested.
all of the above can pull timing when nitrous is activated and return to your normal tune when not.
Thanks I will keep that in mind man.

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I have the frost timing box.
Do you mean the dual flash PCM? I was just on the site and that is all that I saw, it sounds like a pretty nice product, would it make a difference if I already have my N/A tune that I am very happy with done via HP Tuners?

So if I understand this product correctly you could keep your N/A tune on one chip and have your tuner switch and tune on the second chip then you would switch via just a 1-2 position switch? Sounds simple enough, am I missing anything?

Maybe its a question for Frost himself.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by rambodog
The Microedge can't pull timing but the interface can pull up to 3 degrees. The other 3 that I know are the LNC-002 which can pull up to 15 degrees, the Timing Tuner can pull up to 12 degrees and can also be utilized as a window switch, and the timing twister.
BTW I have a timing tuner for sale, PM if interested.
all of the above can pull timing when nitrous is activated and return to your normal tune when not.
Out of the box that is correct, 3 degrees on the LS1 platform. With a minimal amount of additional tuning, it can pull any amount you want it to. Unlike others you can verify this timing is actually being pulled with the interface. It will pull the exact amount of timing you want it to everytime its activitied.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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IMO the best option out there for pulling timing on the LSx platforms is the Lingenfelter unit. We have installed several on customer's cars and i had a timing tuner which i pulled off to put the Lingenfelter unit on my car and havent looked back.

Lingenfelter LCN-002 F.T.W.!!!!!!!
http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/catalog...1&product=3467
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Thanks for all of the replies, I think I am going to possibly go the route of the Frost dual flash PCM.
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what about for LTX applications? From some research I see the mallory 685 is a good choice, any input?
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Originally Posted by earlz28
what about for LTX applications? From some research I see the mallory 685 is a good choice, any input?


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Chris you guys are installing the digital MSD 6al on my car . Is that gonna be what this guy needs also for his setup
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Originally Posted by earlz28
what about for LTX applications? From some research I see the mallory 685 is a good choice, any input?

For the LTx's you'll have to use a MSD digital 6 box or the mallory 685 unit


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Chris you guys are installing the digital MSD 6al on my car . Is that gonna be what this guy needs also for his setup
We are installing the Digital 6 in your car so your good to go mayne.
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Sorry for the hijack, but any reason for one over the other?
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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Both boxes will work just fine. My prefference would be the Mallory box but thats my opinion.

Mallory
You get two-stage rev limiting in 100 rpm increments, an automatic start retard circuit for easier starting, and a built-in rpm window switch that is ideal for nitrous.
Selectable high-speed timing retard with a range of 1 to 15 degrees in .1 degree steps.

MSD Digital 6
Built-in features on the MSD Digital-6 Plus ignition include two rotary switch adjustable rev limiters, a single-stage timing retard, a start-up timing retard, an LED fault display, EMI protection, etc....
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