N20 freezing water/methanol mix?
05-22-2012, 10:16 PM
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I am wondering why they have a methanol kit as well, but haven't linked the two together.
05-23-2012, 02:23 PM
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Everyone, Has a point of view. The hard part is figuring out who is full of _ _ _ _ who is not.
I personally have not done any testing with water/meth on a nitrous application. The reason for that is I have not tuned on a car I felt would bennifit from using it over upping the nitrous jet. On the race cars I tune on many classes do not allow dual power adders and this would fall under that rule.
This is my opinion. I don't know if I am right or wrong but here is a free shot into my mind.
On a average nitrous feed application with a average tuner I feel complicating the tune up raises the risk more than it would the results.
The thought process on using water/meth is to cool cylinder temps, aid in detonation and allow you to be more aggressive on timing. Some people want to do this so they can run pump gas instead of better fuel on bigger hp cars.
My questions is really simple. What is the formula for this tune up? What is the water/meth mixture for x hp at x timing with x octane? How long will the plugs last and perform correctly?
I feel that someone with my tuning skills or better could probably figure out the answers in this tune up formula for the motor they are tuning on, through trial and error. But being that I have tuned gas, E85 and Alcohol engines I know the plugs read differently than reading plugs with gas. Now we have mixed gas, methonal, and water into the combustion chamber... See where I am going with this?
I think the plugs would only be good for a point of reference and not be as accurate.
1. Heat range and timing mark.
2. Gas fuel ring?????? Maybe
3. Detonation spots... If you have those probably to late..
I think a wide band, data logger, and tuning the car by time slips would be very important.
I think the average person would end up eventually hurting the engine....
I honestly do not think the water would freeze from an over all environment stand point. The engine temps and the amount of time it is circulated through the engine. (15 seconds or less) Maybe if the nitrous nozzle was discharging straight onto the water /meth nozzle...
Like ATV stated above.. Promods are starting to play with adding water/meth with nitrous. It is still in the very early stage and they do not have it figured out 100 percent. A promod compared to a 400-1000 hp car is a night and day difference..
I personally would like to do some testing with this.. But time is hard to come by these days..
I hope this helped answer some questions..
Dave
I personally have not done any testing with water/meth on a nitrous application. The reason for that is I have not tuned on a car I felt would bennifit from using it over upping the nitrous jet. On the race cars I tune on many classes do not allow dual power adders and this would fall under that rule.
This is my opinion. I don't know if I am right or wrong but here is a free shot into my mind.
On a average nitrous feed application with a average tuner I feel complicating the tune up raises the risk more than it would the results.
The thought process on using water/meth is to cool cylinder temps, aid in detonation and allow you to be more aggressive on timing. Some people want to do this so they can run pump gas instead of better fuel on bigger hp cars.
My questions is really simple. What is the formula for this tune up? What is the water/meth mixture for x hp at x timing with x octane? How long will the plugs last and perform correctly?
I feel that someone with my tuning skills or better could probably figure out the answers in this tune up formula for the motor they are tuning on, through trial and error. But being that I have tuned gas, E85 and Alcohol engines I know the plugs read differently than reading plugs with gas. Now we have mixed gas, methonal, and water into the combustion chamber... See where I am going with this?
I think the plugs would only be good for a point of reference and not be as accurate.
1. Heat range and timing mark.
2. Gas fuel ring?????? Maybe
3. Detonation spots... If you have those probably to late..
I think a wide band, data logger, and tuning the car by time slips would be very important.
I think the average person would end up eventually hurting the engine....
I honestly do not think the water would freeze from an over all environment stand point. The engine temps and the amount of time it is circulated through the engine. (15 seconds or less) Maybe if the nitrous nozzle was discharging straight onto the water /meth nozzle...
Like ATV stated above.. Promods are starting to play with adding water/meth with nitrous. It is still in the very early stage and they do not have it figured out 100 percent. A promod compared to a 400-1000 hp car is a night and day difference..
I personally would like to do some testing with this.. But time is hard to come by these days..
I hope this helped answer some questions..
Dave
Last edited by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet; 05-23-2012 at 02:56 PM.
