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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by graham@nitrousoutlet
Also make sure that the timing mark is VERY safe if this is not a load bearing dyno. If you tune a car on the dyno that has a semi-aggressive or aggressive timing mark, you will be hurting parts when you take it to the track. The load will move that timing mark more than most think.

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Very good advice for everyone that has there nitrous car dyno tuned.


Pulling fuel from the injector you can make smaller changes, instead of pilling it down which maybe to much. (or its just plain easy to do.... thats why DRY rules !!) LOL !
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 08:56 AM
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Pulling fuel from the injector you can make smaller changes, instead of pilling it down which maybe to much. (or its just plain easy to do.... thats why DRY rules !!) LOL !
There is place for those type of tuning adjustments. On the average street car is not. I do not want the normal guy to start pulling fuel out instead of changing jets.

I am not really telling you this as I know you already know. More just clarifying for those reading.

Your dry setup is a little different than a 5177
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 08:59 AM
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I think Steve opted to take fuel out @ the injector because I was running one of his dual-tune PCMs. Pulling fuel at the injector wouldn't affect the NA tune. I've since opted to just buy HPTuners and another laptop for just the car. That way, I can have tunes for NA and different shot sizes, locked and unlocked converter (3rd gear), etc.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by graham@nitrousoutlet
There is place for those type of tuning adjustments. On the average street car is not. I do not want the normal guy to start pulling fuel out instead of changing jets.

I am not really telling you this as I know you already know. More just clarifying for those reading.

Your dry setup is a little different than a 5177
I agree but Frost is a pretty capable tuner.
I wouldnt reccomend regular guys doing it either.

Had a 5177 hybrid on the car at 1 time.... does that count?
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
I agree but Frost is a pretty capable tuner.
I wouldnt reccomend regular guys doing it either.

Had a 5177 hybrid on the car at 1 time.... does that count?
will a -4 feed from tank to noid supply enough volume for a 88n jetting? i believe the line is 20ft. might be 16ft
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GMMillwright
I think Steve opted to take fuel out @ the injector because I was running one of his dual-tune PCMs. Pulling fuel at the injector wouldn't affect the NA tune. I've since opted to just buy HPTuners and another laptop for just the car. That way, I can have tunes for NA and different shot sizes, locked and unlocked converter (3rd gear), etc.
Now that would make much more sense.

Originally Posted by ATVracr
I agree but Frost is a pretty capable tuner.
I wouldnt reccomend regular guys doing it either.

Had a 5177 hybrid on the car at 1 time.... does that count?
I agree. I even mentioned I figured he might come in here and clear it up.

No, it doesn't count even a little.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gennex
will a -4 feed from tank to noid supply enough volume for a 88n jetting? i believe the line is 20ft. might be 16ft
You are getting close to the limit for sure.
Probably would see an increase in HP with a 6an feed.

We are changing to 8an this year.... Volume = HP
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by graham@nitrousoutlet
No, it doesn't count even a little.
Had so many different kits and combonations of kits on the car its crazy.

-Dry single nozzle
-2 stage Dry (2 single nozzles)
-2 stage , 1 wet nozzle, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage , 1 wet fogger, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage Dry fogger
-3 stages , Dry fogger + dry plate ( this year)

Also had 4 different bottom ends
3 differnt tranny's (4l60, th400, glide)
7-8 sets of heads
8-9 intakes
3 different rears (10 bolt, 12 bolt , dana60 and maybe going to a Fab 9 this year)

HOLY ****... spent way to much on this **** over the years !!
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
Had so many different kits and combonations of kits on the car its crazy.

-Dry single nozzle
-2 stage Dry (2 single nozzles)
-2 stage , 1 wet nozzle, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage , 1 wet fogger, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage Dry fogger
-3 stages , Dry fogger + dry plate ( this year)

Also had 4 different bottom ends
3 differnt tranny's (4l60, th400, glide)
7-8 sets of heads
8-9 intakes
3 different rears (10 bolt, 12 bolt , dana60 and maybe going to a Fab 9 this year)

HOLY ****... spent way to much on this **** over the years !!
ya but your flying..........
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gennex
ya but your flying..........
Thanks, it runs pretty good.

Learned alot along the way that for damn sure.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:12 PM
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Lol at "pretty good". Wayne, I'm very happy with my Midwest Chassis FAB9. No regrets. Only issue I ran into was the crossmember not clearing my 4" exhaust. Wouldn't be an issue for you with open headers. Just, FYI.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
Had so many different kits and combonations of kits on the car its crazy.

-Dry single nozzle
-2 stage Dry (2 single nozzles)
-2 stage , 1 wet nozzle, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage , 1 wet fogger, 1 dry nozzle
- 2 stage Dry fogger
-3 stages , Dry fogger + dry plate ( this year)

Also had 4 different bottom ends
3 differnt tranny's (4l60, th400, glide)
7-8 sets of heads
8-9 intakes
3 different rears (10 bolt, 12 bolt , dana60 and maybe going to a Fab 9 this year)

HOLY ****... spent way to much on this **** over the years !!
And some people complain about plug changes.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by graham@nitrousoutlet
Why would Frost take fuel away from the injector?

Did you guys pull the plugs before leaning it out to 12.4?

I went that route because the nitrous calibration was a dedicated calibration and as Scott noted, the fuel jet feeds good gas vs. the pump gas that's in the main tank. Without having the burden of needing a single N/A AND nitrous tune leaves you more room cal side for adjustments since you know that it's nitrous only. It's been a bit of time (lot of cars since then last summer/fall) but it seems like we may have even been in need of additional smaller fuel jetting that we did not have.

Plugs were pulled and several sets were used through the process so that we could start fresh.

The dyno is unloaded as noted, so I am aiming the mark in a very safe spot. This car hooks very well because of the setup out back. After the dyno, we went out on street from a good 30-35MPH roll. I disallowed the 2-1 downshift so that the car would basically sit on the converter at the bottom of second and we pulled through a few gears and then re-verified the plugs. This is still not the equivalent of a full track pull, but gives us a much better picture of where the timing mark would land.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Frost
I went that route because the nitrous calibration was a dedicated calibration and as Scott noted, the fuel jet feeds good gas vs. the pump gas that's in the main tank. Without having the burden of needing a single N/A AND nitrous tune leaves you more room cal side for adjustments since you know that it's nitrous only. It's been a bit of time (lot of cars since then last summer/fall) but it seems like we may have even been in need of additional smaller fuel jetting that we did not have.

Plugs were pulled and several sets were used through the process so that we could start fresh.

The dyno is unloaded as noted, so I am aiming the mark in a very safe spot. This car hooks very well because of the setup out back. After the dyno, we went out on street from a good 30-35MPH roll. I disallowed the 2-1 downshift so that the car would basically sit on the converter at the bottom of second and we pulled through a few gears and then re-verified the plugs. This is still not the equivalent of a full track pull, but gives us a much better picture of where the timing mark would land.
Awesome. I have to admit I was a little nervous when he said that at first. That is definitely method of tuning that can be used very successfully as you pointed out. Be it is not what I would recommend for the average consumer, as I said earlier.

Glad to see you were very thorough with the tuning process. I wish more tuners would take the time that it seems you do.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 05:20 PM
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I don't sleep.

Really.
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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I don't sleep.

Really.
Its over rated.

Graham @ N20
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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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Well, to continue the thread hijack. Trans is making some ominous sounds, so no new #s or plug pix. Car's off to RPM this week for trans inspection. Not willing to give up OD, so it's either a full-tilt 60 (their recommendation) or an 80.
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