Methanol injection with nitrous?
So it wouldn't allow me to use my nitrous with little timing or no timing pulled? I realize most people don't use it, but yet some claim ridiculous gains and benefits from it.
I see threads about this all the time....just pull timing and run nitrous the right way. An LNC-2000 is cheaper than a meth kit.
I have an LNC-2000, and I am pulling timing. If I wasn't I would've popped my engine a while ago... The idea I've seen with meth injection is that by being able to use more timing you get significant gains in power, safely. It's not that I don't want to pull timing for no reason... All the threads I've seen (none of which are recent) rave about how great it is for this reason. I'm just trying to understand more about how it works, why I should or shouldn't use it, if the benefits and possibilities are as good as some people claim, and what's the catch if there is one because I haven't found one yet. You're kind of just beating around the bush and not giving me any relevant answers or information.
I have an LNC-2000, and I am pulling timing. If I wasn't I would've popped my engine a while ago... The idea I've seen with meth injection is that by being able to use more timing you get significant gains in power, safely. It's not that I don't want to pull timing for no reason... All the threads I've seen (none of which are recent) rave about how great it is for this reason. I'm just trying to understand more about how it works, why I should or shouldn't use it, if the benefits and possibilities are as good as some people claim, and what's the catch if there is one because I haven't found one yet. You're kind of just beating around the bush and not giving me any relevant answers or information.
If you're not maxed out nitrous and timing wise on your current tune up, there are ways to go faster without a water/meth kit. I'd be more than happy to help!
What I'm saying is that you will not get the gains you think you will... Is your nitrous tune up on the ragged edge where you can't run anymore nitrous or timing? That's where water injection comes into play. To slow the burn. On a proper nitrous tune up, you've got all the octane you need, and you don't need to cool off IAT's, so the gains from water/meth are going to be minimal.
If you're not maxed out nitrous and timing wise on your current tune up, there are ways to go faster without a water/meth kit. I'd be more than happy to help!
If you're not maxed out nitrous and timing wise on your current tune up, there are ways to go faster without a water/meth kit. I'd be more than happy to help!
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It has been done. Far more have failed attempts and blown motors from trying.
IF you can find a tuner that can do it, expect to leave the car with him for a while and budget for a hurt motor in the process.
IF you can find a tuner that can do it, expect to leave the car with him for a while and budget for a hurt motor in the process.
Alright, I'll save for a dedicated fuel system then. Brandon how effective is that fuel line upgrade for 5th gens that you guys sell? Won't be buying the stand alone system for a while but my fuel pressure is dropping on the initial hit so would this help add some cushion to my set up in the meantime? Considering I have a ZL1 pump is it still normal for pressure to drop just at the instant that the spray hits?
Alright, I'll save for a dedicated fuel system then. Brandon how effective is that fuel line upgrade for 5th gens that you guys sell? Won't be buying the stand alone system for a while but my fuel pressure is dropping on the initial hit so would this help add some cushion to my set up in the meantime? Considering I have a ZL1 pump is it still normal for pressure to drop just at the instant that the spray hits?
Brandon is dead on.
You will not see the gains you are expecting.
I am spraying well north of 1700 pounds/hr of nitrous. 90% of the time I do not turn on the water injection.
Water and Meth injection are simply to cool the chamber. It allows more timing to be run, or in my case gives a cushion in the tuning window that can be effected by changes in weather, or I will often step up some jetting, and turn the water on in case I missed with timing.
I will say I have always gone faster with the water injection OFF and a good tune.
You will not see the gains you are expecting.
I am spraying well north of 1700 pounds/hr of nitrous. 90% of the time I do not turn on the water injection.
Water and Meth injection are simply to cool the chamber. It allows more timing to be run, or in my case gives a cushion in the tuning window that can be effected by changes in weather, or I will often step up some jetting, and turn the water on in case I missed with timing.
I will say I have always gone faster with the water injection OFF and a good tune.
The fuel line upgrade is important due to the number of 90 degree bends in the factory fuel line. It can cause a pretty nasty lean spike and pressure drop. The upgrade we sell does a great job of alleviating this. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Brandon is dead on.
You will not see the gains you are expecting.
I am spraying well north of 1700 pounds/hr of nitrous. 90% of the time I do not turn on the water injection.
Water and Meth injection are simply to cool the chamber. It allows more timing to be run, or in my case gives a cushion in the tuning window that can be effected by changes in weather, or I will often step up some jetting, and turn the water on in case I missed with timing.
I will say I have always gone faster with the water injection OFF and a good tune.
You will not see the gains you are expecting.
I am spraying well north of 1700 pounds/hr of nitrous. 90% of the time I do not turn on the water injection.
Water and Meth injection are simply to cool the chamber. It allows more timing to be run, or in my case gives a cushion in the tuning window that can be effected by changes in weather, or I will often step up some jetting, and turn the water on in case I missed with timing.
I will say I have always gone faster with the water injection OFF and a good tune.
I want to bring this back up for guys like me only spraying a 50-125 dry kit.
My thoughts were with a small 75 shot that I could arm the meth/water kit at the same time as the nitrous and the difference in timing would allow me to not pull timing. the extra meth going in also should add to the air fuel ratio correct?
I Have EFI Live and can switch tunes as needed, just looking at this as an option . thanks.
My thoughts were with a small 75 shot that I could arm the meth/water kit at the same time as the nitrous and the difference in timing would allow me to not pull timing. the extra meth going in also should add to the air fuel ratio correct?
I Have EFI Live and can switch tunes as needed, just looking at this as an option . thanks.
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Yes, it works just fine. Just as some here say they don't like it, there is an equal amount at the track that love it. Myself included. It's not really for extra power, it's for a tuning cushion, and engine longevity.
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I want to bring this back up for guys like me only spraying a 50-125 dry kit.
My thoughts were with a small 75 shot that I could arm the meth/water kit at the same time as the nitrous and the difference in timing would allow me to not pull timing. the extra meth going in also should add to the air fuel ratio correct?
I Have EFI Live and can switch tunes as needed, just looking at this as an option . thanks.
My thoughts were with a small 75 shot that I could arm the meth/water kit at the same time as the nitrous and the difference in timing would allow me to not pull timing. the extra meth going in also should add to the air fuel ratio correct?
I Have EFI Live and can switch tunes as needed, just looking at this as an option . thanks.
