Which is safer 100 Shot Wet or Dry
02-15-2005, 07:24 PM
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Yeah they do come in many different setups. My opinion though still stands. I like the TNT wet kits. I like the foggers and ring design and that it has two foggers instead of just one like most other kits have. I have also found it to be pretty easy to install. Not a big fan of the smaller bottles though, but i think they all come that small on a basic kit. Also not a big fan of the down tube, but atleast here in sacramento raceway its a must to have during the inspection.
02-15-2005, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by white2001s10
It was pathetic so he needs those excuses.
He exaggerates the 200 shot up to 250 shot sarcastically because some other people told him the orifice size of the nozzle was big enough to equal a 250 shot jet. So someone else actually started that.
He was only actually getting a 200hp gain, and it was far on the rich side still, even with 1000 psi bottle pressure.
Even a jet size doesn't automatically equal a certain N2O flow rate, or HP gain. A lot of factors can affect the flow rate. Some systems have more restrictions than others.
He exaggerates the 200 shot up to 250 shot sarcastically because some other people told him the orifice size of the nozzle was big enough to equal a 250 shot jet. So someone else actually started that.
He was only actually getting a 200hp gain, and it was far on the rich side still, even with 1000 psi bottle pressure.
Even a jet size doesn't automatically equal a certain N2O flow rate, or HP gain. A lot of factors can affect the flow rate. Some systems have more restrictions than others.
02-15-2005, 09:03 PM
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Made to look like an idiot?? Explain that to me. Basically you got called out by all of the more knowledgable members on this site and they called you hacks in the nicest possible way. Not to mention they said you have done NOTHING to brag about with your times. You know, pretty much everything I've been saying already. Have a nice day.
02-16-2005, 12:13 AM
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Check out links in my web page for some insight on the dry vs wet thing. Imo, dry is safer and has the same power output if tuned the same (jets-a/f). If your getting close to thinking about upsizing your injectors then dry might be a good choice if you want to do a big shot dry later. I haven't had any problems dry with stock injectors on two vettes, but am at my limit for how I spray into box and that is why i'm going dry/wet dual stage. Remember, knowledge is power, and then you can make your choice based on said knowledge. Wet or dry go for it, your Z06 will be a beast.
02-21-2005, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by white2001s10
yep,
That's correct if it was descreened.
Bottle size and pressure during those dyno runs could also be a factor.
It is also possible that the engine ran richer from the dry shot than it did from the wet shot... that would explain the difference in power.
A dry system with a .47 N2O jet using a 20 lb bottle at 1000 psi
will make a huge amount of power over a
wet system with a .47 N2O jet using only a 10 lb bottle and 1000 psi.
Reverse the situation with a direct port fogger using a 20 lb
vs the dry system using the 10 lb bottle, and things are much different.
There are many factors that can change the results... not to mention the fact that "kits" come in so many different forms as you said.
That's correct if it was descreened.
Bottle size and pressure during those dyno runs could also be a factor.
It is also possible that the engine ran richer from the dry shot than it did from the wet shot... that would explain the difference in power.
A dry system with a .47 N2O jet using a 20 lb bottle at 1000 psi
will make a huge amount of power over a
wet system with a .47 N2O jet using only a 10 lb bottle and 1000 psi.
Reverse the situation with a direct port fogger using a 20 lb
vs the dry system using the 10 lb bottle, and things are much different.
There are many factors that can change the results... not to mention the fact that "kits" come in so many different forms as you said.
02-22-2005, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
Check out links in my web page for some insight on the dry vs wet thing. Imo, dry is safer and has the same power output if tuned the same (jets-a/f). If your getting close to thinking about upsizing your injectors then dry might be a good choice if you want to do a big shot dry later. I haven't had any problems dry with stock injectors on two vettes, but am at my limit for how I spray into box and that is why i'm going dry/wet dual stage. Remember, knowledge is power, and then you can make your choice based on said knowledge. Wet or dry go for it, your Z06 will be a beast.
I agree with this guy they both are just as safe or not safe as the other...First of all on a dry you have to worry about injector compensation but on the other hand a wet kit u have to hope your fuel noid doesnt go haywire...I personally have a tntf1 kit and love it and although people will argue I have seen dry and wet make the same hp but wet always has more tq for some reason...My window switch is setup for 3k rpms and I also have 30lb inj and a walbro 255lph but I only have the 30lbers because stock ones had a lot of miles and my motor is a 383 so it needs em...
TO THE GUY RUNNING A 250 SHOT on STOCk injectors and pump YOU ARE A DUMBASS I dont care if its working or not you're still horribly stupid for doing it... Also if you do the calculation... Lets say on motor you have 350 hp at flywheel then you add 250hp shot so thats 600hp riight? Well in order to have a 80 percent duty cycle which is standard you would have to have a 42lb injector...and with a 38lb injector which Im guessing you have your duty cycle would be at 120 percent THAT is so smart buddy
Thanks have a nice day
02-22-2005, 12:43 AM
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I was told that with a dry kit at the moment the spray starts all the pistons run lean until the MAF can tell the PCM to tell the injectors to spray more fuel into the cylinders.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.
02-22-2005, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Quickin
I was told that with a dry kit at the moment the spray starts all the pistons run lean until the MAF can tell the PCM to tell the injectors to spray more fuel into the cylinders.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.
02-22-2005, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 97M6Formula
I agree with this guy they both are just as safe or not safe as the other...First of all on a dry you have to worry about injector compensation but on the other hand a wet kit u have to hope your fuel noid doesnt go haywire...I personally have a tntf1 kit and love it and although people will argue I have seen dry and wet make the same hp but wet always has more tq for some reason...My window switch is setup for 3k rpms and I also have 30lb inj and a walbro 255lph but I only have the 30lbers because stock ones had a lot of miles and my motor is a 383 so it needs em...
TO THE GUY RUNNING A 250 SHOT on STOCk injectors and pump YOU ARE A DUMBASS I dont care if its working or not you're still horribly stupid for doing it... Also if you do the calculation... Lets say on motor you have 350 hp at flywheel then you add 250hp shot so thats 600hp riight? Well in order to have a 80 percent duty cycle which is standard you would have to have a 42lb injector...and with a 38lb injector which Im guessing you have your duty cycle would be at 120 percent THAT is so smart buddy
Thanks have a nice day
TO THE GUY RUNNING A 250 SHOT on STOCk injectors and pump YOU ARE A DUMBASS I dont care if its working or not you're still horribly stupid for doing it... Also if you do the calculation... Lets say on motor you have 350 hp at flywheel then you add 250hp shot so thats 600hp riight? Well in order to have a 80 percent duty cycle which is standard you would have to have a 42lb injector...and with a 38lb injector which Im guessing you have your duty cycle would be at 120 percent THAT is so smart buddy
Thanks have a nice day
I see you had APE build your 383 and that you're enjoying your 30 lbs fuel injectors and your wet "kit". Big congrats on finally breaking into the 12 second club.
You have a nice day too.
02-22-2005, 03:49 PM
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hahah You think the 12s are from the 383 that was just with a cam you idiot...I was trapping 124mph with just a 100shot on my stock lt1 shortblock this is before the 383....I have no numbers on the 383 look in my sig It clearly states no new numbers with new motor and maybe I want everyone to think all I can do is make it into the 12 second club have a nice day god so many ***** on here Im just trying to help the guy out by saying what I have experienced....then stupid *** homeslice writes me a pm saying come down to st louis and race him so homeslice why dont u come out here u can choose to race my lt1 or my friends ls1 either way you will lose u stock injector stock pump idiot...and I do have experience with dry kits thats why its my second stage
this is what he wrote to me...
Well when you finally stop ranting about subjects you obviously know nothing about. Please dive on down here to STL and I'll show you all you need to know for a few hundred dollars. I mean, I am a dumbass right... what could I possibly know
this is what he wrote to me...
Well when you finally stop ranting about subjects you obviously know nothing about. Please dive on down here to STL and I'll show you all you need to know for a few hundred dollars. I mean, I am a dumbass right... what could I possibly know
02-22-2005, 03:59 PM
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I'm sorry I didn't realize that you had also paid someone for a dry "kit" install as well. Well don't fret so much, your numbers are sure to improve over that.
By the way, you're not supposed to post from a PM. That's what PM's are for.
By the way, you're not supposed to post from a PM. That's what PM's are for.
02-22-2005, 04:08 PM
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I installed everything (including my motor myself) what are u talking about ? 
This isnt the place to argue why dont you two trolls go over to svtperformance.com and share your supidity with them...
I think I must have done something right to have a cam only LT1 with 100 shot trapping in the mid 120s with stock weight...Im just here to give advice like the other guys... so why dont you and homslice go spray your S10 with a 250 shot on your stock injectors and pump and tell us how it does
This isnt the place to argue why dont you two trolls go over to svtperformance.com and share your supidity with them...
I think I must have done something right to have a cam only LT1 with 100 shot trapping in the mid 120s with stock weight...Im just here to give advice like the other guys... so why dont you and homslice go spray your S10 with a 250 shot on your stock injectors and pump and tell us how it does
02-22-2005, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 97M6Formula
This isnt the place to argue why dont you two trolls go over to svtperformance.com and share your supidity with them...
Since PM means "Post Me" to you. The offer still stands. Stock injectors are waiting for you Sally. I have a camera waiting, track opens end of this month and bring your wallet. I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't know what the stock injectors flow. lol
02-22-2005, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Homeslice (tm)
So why are you doing it... You're the one making the attacks.
Since PM means "Post Me" to you. The offer still stands. Stock injectors are waiting for you Sally. I have a camera waiting, track opens end of this month and bring your wallet. I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't know what the stock injectors flow. lol
Since PM means "Post Me" to you. The offer still stands. Stock injectors are waiting for you Sally. I have a camera waiting, track opens end of this month and bring your wallet. I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't know what the stock injectors flow. lol
Imagine that, these two guys starting more ****
Homeslice, you have a vette with a 250 shot that goes 11's. YOU ARE SLOW Leave the people alone. All you two do is try to start ****. You are an asshat
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Ok sorry everyone I lied my car is very slow and homeslice has the fastest car around...Also just to finish there is no difference in safeness of either a wet or dry kit... Dry? Hope your injectors and pump dont fail...Wet hope your solenoid and pump dont fail... But once you get past a 250 shot the wets gonna puddle in the intake thats why guys go to DP...
As far as kits the tnt nozzles are proven to atomize nitrous and fuel perfectly as well as there solenoids being very well built
Nice thing about a dry kit is how easy it is to hide it though
As far as kits the tnt nozzles are proven to atomize nitrous and fuel perfectly as well as there solenoids being very well built
Nice thing about a dry kit is how easy it is to hide it though
02-22-2005, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Quickin
I was told that with a dry kit at the moment the spray starts all the pistons run lean until the MAF can tell the PCM to tell the injectors to spray more fuel into the cylinders.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.
Seems logical and over time it would take a toll on the pistons, the wet kit won't do that.
What do you all think of that????? Its just what I was told about dry kits.