Interesting discussion.

 

[QUOTE=terry s]It does vary. In New Jersey, where I lived and worked till my retirement (now living in PA), as long as you obtain the proper permit, you can legally have nitrous installed in your car.

Regarding "justification," you are confusing logic with the law and they often have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The fact is, the legislature doesn't have to justify or prove anything when they make law. They have the power to pass legislation, period.

 

There's a hero in every bunch!

 

Good luck.

 

DAMM THAT SUCKS, get well and take your computer with you during recovery.
Now that cobra thing hmmmm ok not as bad as a honda.
Ricky

 

[QUOTE=XTrooper]thats interesting Steve...im in PA (philly)..how would i go about getting a permit for nos??

well, as all of you may know...cant hide a TNT kit......but i tell ya what...its an intimidating kit to look at when you pop your hood!!! as far as cops...as long as i dont have my hood or my trunk open...they wont see anything pertaining to nitrous unless you look under the car and see the filter hanging below the rear bumper. ive been fortunate thus far and hope to continue with my luck.

 

Just go to the NJ Department of Health's website and there is an application you fill out and mail in. Here's the link:

http://www.state.nj.us/health/forms/f-17.pdf

Damn, it used to be free. Now I see they want $25. It took me about a week to get mine. I think I've actually been in Jersey once with my nitrous in the car since I got it, though. lol

 

[QUOTE=TNTramair]If your car is registered out-of-state, I don't believe the permit isn't required. If you have a NJ-registered vehicle, you can download/printout the application. Here's a link for it.

http://www.state.nj.us/health/forms/f-17.pdf

 

[QUOTE=XTrooper]thanks steve...so let me get it straight...is this like a general permit that cacn be used in any state or just in new jersey...i live and my car is registered in philadelphia.

 

Well lets face it, there ARE times when you CAN smell it. Maybe not all the time and not on some cars, and your right about smelling something different so it has to be nitorus type of people, but there are times when its obvious.

 

I used to think that hidden system were the only way to go, but after being around it (and cars that run it) long enough I don't really see the point of it anymore. If you hide it and use it in a race, I think more than likely there will be at least one person around that will be able to tell.

Don't get me wrong, I favor a very clean and somewhat hidden install for the looks but I don't see a point in trying to slide it past people when it comes to racing.

About the illegal issue. Most states have some type of regulations about nitrous being in a vehicle, but it doesn't have anything to do with racing or the performance aspect of it. The regulations are in regards to the chemical itself. Nitrous is a hazardous material due to it being an oxidiser in a pressurized cylinder. In order to carry a hazardous material you have to have a permit.

 

[QUOTE=TNTramair]Issued by New Jersey and covers you in New Jersey only.

 

More relevant to us who live in PA is this portion of House Bill 727 (which was unanimously passed in the House by a vote of 196-0 and referred to the Senate Transportation Committee).

"NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM." A DEVICE INSTALLED IN A MOTOR <--
3 VEHICLE THAT ALLOWS NITROUS OXIDE TO COMBINE WITH GASOLINE FOR
4 THE PURPOSE OF INCREASING ENGINE POWER.
5 * * *
6 SECTION 2. TITLE 75 IS AMENDED BY ADDING SECTIONS TO READ:
7 § 3720. NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM.
8 (A) GENERAL RULE.--EXCEPT AS SET FORTH IN SUBSECTION (B),
9 THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY:
10 (1) AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OPERATES A MOTOR VEHICLE WHICH IS
11 EQUIPPED WITH A NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM ON A HIGHWAY OR
12 TRAFFICWAY COMMITS A SUMMARY OFFENSE AND SHALL, UPON
13 CONVICTION, BE SENTENCED TO PAY A FINE OF $25.
14 (2) AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OPERATES, IN EXCESS OF THE MAXIMUM
15 SPEED LIMIT BY MORE THAN FIVE MILES PER HOUR BUT LESS THAN 31
16 MILES PER HOUR, A MOTOR VEHICLE WHICH IS EQUIPPED WITH A
17 NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM ON A HIGHWAY OR TRAFFICWAY COMMITS A
18 SUMMARY OFFENSE AND SHALL, UPON CONVICTION, BE SENTENCED TO
19 PAY A FINE OF $250.
20 (3) AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OPERATES, IN EXCESS OF THE MAXIMUM
21 SPEED LIMIT BY AT LEAST 31 MILES PER HOUR, A MOTOR VEHICLE
22 WHICH IS EQUIPPED WITH A NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM ON A HIGHWAY OR
23 TRAFFICWAY COMMITS A SUMMARY OFFENSE AND SHALL, UPON
24 CONVICTION, BE SENTENCED TO PAY A FINE OF $500.
25 (B) EXCEPTIONS.--A PERSON MAY OPERATE A MOTOR VEHICLE
26 EQUIPPED WITH A NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEM ON A HIGHWAY OR TRAFFICWAY
27 IF:
28 (1) ALL CANISTERS OF NITROUS OXIDE HAVE BEEN REMOVED
29 FROM THE VEHICLE.
30 (2) THE MOTOR VEHICLE IS EN ROUTE TO OR FROM A TRACK
20050H0727B2415 - 3 -


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1 WHERE THE MOTOR VEHICLE IS USED FOR RACING AND THE NITROUS
2 OXIDE SYSTEM IS MADE INOPERATIVE BY DISCONNECTING THE LINE
3 FEEDING NITROUS OXIDE TO THE ENGINE.

At the moment, there are no PA laws regulating the use of nitrous, but when the above becomes law, that will change.

 

[QUOTE=XTrooper]i have my permit but was under the impression that i still can't drive around with my bottle hooked up to the main feed...is this true (i figure an ex-trooper would know best)? i was told that since the permit is for a "race car", you can't have your bottle connected on public roads

 

I hid my first kit the first kit I put on my car. Second kit I had on the car I did not even bother to hide. The kit that I am putting on my car now is just going to be a clean neat install out in the open.

 

[QUOTE=iamsickofitall]There are currently no motor vehicle statutes specifically regulating the use of N2O in New Jersey. If you have the required permit, you're good to go. There's nothing in any NJ law about connected/not connected or even spraying/not spraying though I'm guessing if you got caught spraying they could probably hang you with reckless driving especially if you got into an accident or were stopped going at a very high rate of speed.

 

when i do go with spray, im goin to hide much of it. not because of cops, not because of hustling, but because i like the clean simple look. i might even put my switches on a removable panel. Pretty sure, cali is one where it is illegal to have it hooked up

 

I have my **** right out in the open.. if someone asks if I'm going to spray them its a simple answer.... if your *** is in front of me ima spray you down like a skunk. I didn't buy it for looks, I bought it so I don't lose... as much.

 

to hide it from the cops and competitors

 

Mine is out in the open,when the hood opens that is the first thing people notice!