New wet #'s vs dry
10-20-2005, 05:58 PM
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New wet #'s vs dry Dry 05177 jetted to 100 rwhp
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
10-20-2005, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 99SSLS1
Dry 05177 jetted to 100 rwhp
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
The answer you are looking for is that the NOS powershot solenoids that you have (from the 5177 kit) only flow a 150 shot or .063 jet. They won't flow any more than that. I suggest you get in touch with nitro dave and have him hook you up with the parts list. Here is my parts list, he can make sure it's right (that's who I got it from anyway)....
NX Nitrous Solenoid .093(stage 6)-#15200-$118.00
NX -4an SHO Hose-#10124-$24.00
NX -4an 1/8" fitting for solenoid-#16109-$4.40
and the last part does not have a part number..it's a BRAND new part. It can flow up to a 300 shot or .093 orifice through a single dry nozzle...
NX BIG SHOT SINGLE Dry nozzle-$15
prices might have changed, I'm not sure. The -4an feedline is good up to or past a 300 shot though. Your restriction lies in the solenoids forward (noids, feedline, and nozzle). Another option is to split the two NOS noids up using a "Y" fitting coming off the main 4an feed line and run two .040 jets to get about the same effect as the .082 jet, or about a 250 shot.
10-20-2005, 06:40 PM
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Well for one two solenoids are a restriction.I can not remmeber what size the orfice is in the NOS solenoids.Im sure Robert will stop in and tell us.Also if you have any connnections or fittings in the main feed line they are also a restriction.This can hold back flow=HP.
Of course the wet system will make more torque than the dry system.Thats a given.
Take and get a better Nitrous soilenoid so that you can safely run one solenoid and then your horse power will pick up also.
Dave
Of course the wet system will make more torque than the dry system.Thats a given.
Take and get a better Nitrous soilenoid so that you can safely run one solenoid and then your horse power will pick up also.
Dave
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10-20-2005, 06:52 PM
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I do have the main feed line running into a 90 then into the 2 noids. I should do that in a straight shot and put the purge on the 90. Live and learn.
I'll replace the noids then. Thanks guys
I'll replace the noids then. Thanks guys
10-20-2005, 09:44 PM
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The Powershot noid has an orifice size of approx .076, so this is not the restriction, as many, including myself, have made much more than 103rwhp dry and 110rwhp wet using the Powershot. Check your line, sometimes when the ends get crimped on there will be a little flap pushed into the stream. also, if you used the 90* fitting that comes with the 5177 it has a screen (filter) built into it and it doesn't tke much to clog it or restrict it. One of the noids may have particulate keeping it from opening all the way (all noids have this potential problem).
One thing about running redundant noids on a wet system, not good. You have just doubled the chance for failure on the nitrous side. It is not a case of inferior noids being used in redunantcy on the 5177 but rather an added safety thing. really the only thing that can go wrong on a dry hit is the n2o noid sticking open and with two, you'll never have both sticking open at the same time. so the implications that the power shot needs two because they are less than is nonsense. With that said, yes NX has better noids than the powershots, but so does NOS.
Yes, it is a given that wet hits make a little more torque, but there are certainly trade offs for that extra torque. If your happy that all that counts. stick with it you'll figure it out.
By the way, there have been more than a few guys that have split up the noids on the 5177 and ran no jets and made 300 or so HP, so flowing 150 each...
Robert
One thing about running redundant noids on a wet system, not good. You have just doubled the chance for failure on the nitrous side. It is not a case of inferior noids being used in redunantcy on the 5177 but rather an added safety thing. really the only thing that can go wrong on a dry hit is the n2o noid sticking open and with two, you'll never have both sticking open at the same time. so the implications that the power shot needs two because they are less than is nonsense. With that said, yes NX has better noids than the powershots, but so does NOS.
Yes, it is a given that wet hits make a little more torque, but there are certainly trade offs for that extra torque. If your happy that all that counts. stick with it you'll figure it out.
By the way, there have been more than a few guys that have split up the noids on the 5177 and ran no jets and made 300 or so HP, so flowing 150 each...
Robert
10-20-2005, 11:23 PM
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Glad you found the difference and feel of a wet kit. If you are running the noids redundant, just take one out of the loop... That little bitty noid can flow more than that, but going thru to orifice will never flow it, too much pressure drop and turbulance. Anyway happy for you, what is the jetting on that wet kit anyway.
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10-21-2005, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
The Powershot noid has an orifice size of approx .076, so this is not the restriction, as many, including myself, have made much more than 103rwhp dry and 110rwhp wet using the Powershot. Check your line, sometimes when the ends get crimped on there will be a little flap pushed into the stream. also, if you used the 90* fitting that comes with the 5177 it has a screen (filter) built into it and it doesn't tke much to clog it or restrict it. One of the noids may have particulate keeping it from opening all the way (all noids have this potential problem).
One thing about running redundant noids on a wet system, not good. You have just doubled the chance for failure on the nitrous side. It is not a case of inferior noids being used in redunantcy on the 5177 but rather an added safety thing. really the only thing that can go wrong on a dry hit is the n2o noid sticking open and with two, you'll never have both sticking open at the same time. so the implications that the power shot needs two because they are less than is nonsense. With that said, yes NX has better noids than the powershots, but so does NOS.
Yes, it is a given that wet hits make a little more torque, but there are certainly trade offs for that extra torque. If your happy that all that counts. stick with it you'll figure it out.
By the way, there have been more than a few guys that have split up the noids on the 5177 and ran no jets and made 300 or so HP, so flowing 150 each...
Robert
One thing about running redundant noids on a wet system, not good. You have just doubled the chance for failure on the nitrous side. It is not a case of inferior noids being used in redunantcy on the 5177 but rather an added safety thing. really the only thing that can go wrong on a dry hit is the n2o noid sticking open and with two, you'll never have both sticking open at the same time. so the implications that the power shot needs two because they are less than is nonsense. With that said, yes NX has better noids than the powershots, but so does NOS.
Yes, it is a given that wet hits make a little more torque, but there are certainly trade offs for that extra torque. If your happy that all that counts. stick with it you'll figure it out.
By the way, there have been more than a few guys that have split up the noids on the 5177 and ran no jets and made 300 or so HP, so flowing 150 each...
Robert
10-21-2005, 01:40 AM
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from personal experience and testing, the NOS 5177 noids will NOT support over a .063 jet or a 150 shot/120rwhp.
One more thing, sometimes wet kits will not be at there advertised hp level, for various reasons, doesn't mean kit is bad though.
Robert
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10-21-2005, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
A .063 single jet is approx a 150rwhp shot. I do know as fact that splitting up the noids and running no jets is about 300hp. Maybe on your particular set-up there was other reasons? Do a search on the 5177 and think you'll be supprised at some of the numbers being put down. If I remember, it's coming back now, maybe it's closer to 135/140 area max? It may have to do, like Dave/Ricky said having two small noids in a row and a 90* fitting or two, and some turbulance? All I know is I put down 480rwhp/505torque on stock motor, so I am happy.
One more thing, sometimes wet kits will not be at there advertised hp level, for various reasons, doesn't mean kit is bad though.
Robert
One more thing, sometimes wet kits will not be at there advertised hp level, for various reasons, doesn't mean kit is bad though.
Robert
I'm going to get a new nitrous noid and run the 4an feed line striaght to it.(with a filter) Then run my 3an line to the fogger. I will double check the lines I have for blockage. This thing is a different car now, I didn't think I was gonna feel the diff that much but I do. I'm pretty happy right now(feel wise) but I don't like the way I have it. It actually broke the tires loose 2 times at 45-50 in 2nd gear. For some reason though I felt safer with the dry, I'm alittle weary spraying right now.
10-21-2005, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert56
A .063 single jet is approx a 150rwhp shot. I do know as fact that splitting up the noids and running no jets is about 300hp. Maybe on your particular set-up there was other reasons? Do a search on the 5177 and think you'll be supprised at some of the numbers being put down. If I remember, it's coming back now, maybe it's closer to 135/140 area max? It may have to do, like Dave/Ricky said having two small noids in a row and a 90* fitting or two, and some turbulance? All I know is I put down 480rwhp/505torque on stock motor, so I am happy.
One more thing, sometimes wet kits will not be at there advertised hp level, for various reasons, doesn't mean kit is bad though.
Robert
One more thing, sometimes wet kits will not be at there advertised hp level, for various reasons, doesn't mean kit is bad though.
Robert
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Originally Posted by 99SSLS1
Dry 05177 jetted to 100 rwhp
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
baseline 315hp 333tq
NOS 418hp 463tq
New wet converison
baseline 323hp 340tq
NOS 433hp 526tp
For some reason I can't flow anymore nitrous that. I running a .82 nos jet, so I have a restriction somewhere. So I have a 110 rwhp gain and a 186 rwtq. But good golly can you feel the diff.
Anyways my set is 2 NOS noids from the 05177 kit with a fogger and fuel noid from dynotune.
10-21-2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by V6 Bird
Instead of comparing with just the jetting, try comapring with jetting and A/F ratio. thanks. This test means absolutely nothing to me with A/F and similar jet sizes to get the increases you got.
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Originally Posted by 99SSLS1
I'm sorry you feel that way!
10-21-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK
I do agree with him. You could have picked up 40rwhp going from 11.0a/f to 12.0 a/f. Also, was timing the same? just wondering....