Since we're OT, the part that was brought up about red91z' sig, was that he uses NOS Nozzles...inferring that he is a NOS Cheerleader, and we all know that NOS and NX cheerleaders will lead to a kitty fight.

Robert, are you thinking along the lines of "plate system being another stage"? I like that idea. Just not sure where my fuel system will need to be.

Stage 1: NOS 5177 single noid running into dual sided discharge custom nozzle @ 120+/- rwhp (no jets) off the Trans brake and WOT switch

Stage 2: NOS 5177 single noid running into the dry nozzles on each side of lid @ 75-90rwhp (will use jets I think). Setup on MSD Adjustable WS ~4200rpms, just after stall speed and launching off the trans brake will be instantaneous, so may not use the WS on this one.

Stage 3: NX Plate, think I can stick with a single stage on this one Run it about 75-100jets. Set up on a digiset delay from second stage, delay ~ .2-.4 seconds.

Walbro 340 pump, billet rails and 42lbs injectors.

 

It was meant as a compliment. You have some fast cars so you know your way around the aftermarket. Therefore you know that dyno numbers dont always mean better quality; it is simply one aspect of a product. There are plenty of people that will buy a product that has a lower advertised dyno for reasons other than the dyno number.

 

I wasnt trying to imply that NOS's plate was sub standard I was saying that I thought Daves was better. There was some talk of the differences in this thread https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...t=plate+system And again I'm not trying to start a "rumor" I'm stating my opinion. I feel that the way the nitrous is introduced in Daves plate is a better design. Does that mean the NOS wont work or will not perform.........of course not.

 

I couldn't find references to NOS new design, however, compared to old designs? Am I still missing it, maybe find the post number for me? Thanks
Robert

 

Dave, your web page is down.......... :sad:

 

Someone able to answer??? - what is the advantage of the plate over a normal single wet nos system if spraying less than 150hp ( and probably with a progressive controller)

 

Dave,
Here is what I would like to do using your plate system.

I am leaning towards the new Lightning NX solnoids and this is how I see them under the Fuel Rail covers. Can they be mounted like that (the inlet is in the side, and the bottom is the outlet I think, so the bottoms would be pointed up).

The Schrader Valve is on my Drivers side (I think your fuel side on the plate is drivers side too? Or does it matter?). The hard 180 on the line (represented in the picture as a green hose) I think will kink a hose. Is there a hard line or a 180 degree fitting to make that angle? Can you make this including brackets for the noids to go on the manifold bolts? I really want a bolt on system without having to fab anything. I think the Green hose and the mounting brackets for the noids are gonna be the trouble spots for me if I go with your kit. The lines going to the plate I would go with the black race hose to blend in with the manifold.



Any pics yet of how the Solnoids are mounted using this plate?

 

Perhaps I misunderstood post number 19 to include the NOS Plate system. I dont want to speak for anyone but that was the way I understood it when I read it. Hey maybe I was wrong, its happened before .

 

hmmm... how would this compare to a nx maf setup?

 

Post #19 is refering to past generation plates, both the new plates have claims of better distribution. No more lean foward cylinders.
Robert

 

Beer99C5, yes there is a 180* fitting from Aeroquip or Russell to suit your needs. It looks as if your trying to conceal the install from your design layout, if so, good luck. If your not worried about the stealth factor, then I'd think about mounting the noids directly to the plate (or MAF also). Which makes for easier maintenance and reduces the amount of heat they are exposed to compared to laying on the back of the intake.

 

Thanks CAT3, I had not considered that, seems that would actually be preferable. Not trying to hide it, just want a nice neat install. It would certainly solve the bracket issue. Hopefully when the kits go out there will be some good picts with a few different install options.

 

Thanks then...

 

So what is the price of the dual stage kit with noids and all for a 90mm setup? Plate looks great Dave! Now do I need a 200 shot all at one time or a 100 on each? Dave, your killing me!

 

I did call and got myself on the phone. lol I was meaning try to get them on the phone any time, thats all. I have nothing against there products, really I don't....
Dave needs to get off the old vacation thing hell I do not get one why should anyone else..
Ricky

 

Your going to need more than 200

 

For who? Nothing you currently have that runs!

 

Ok guys some interesting quetions here. We were away from the office this weekend. I would not say it was a vacation though because we were out of town working a race

I am going to try to answer every ones questions.

1. We are figuring out the price upgrade for having the part annodized now.WE should have a upgrade price shortly.

2.Beer 99. The drawing you posted would be no problem to duplicate. As a matter of fact you and I had the same thinking.

3.As for the diffences between the NOS and OUR plate. First I would like to say I am not banging on the NOS plate I have personally not had a NOS plate in my hand.
In kit form our system will be using the best solenoid on the market. All of our parts minus the plate come from nitrous express.This means when NX starts shiping the new Lightning solenoids they will be included in our plate kit. From looking at the pictures of the NOS plate it looks to me to be a single nozzle machined into a plate. I do like the fact they have not directed the flow path towards the back of the intake. This is the only semilarity the two plates hold.
Here is where the differences are.The nos nozzle plume sprays across the port on one side. Nitrous Outlets plate has 6 fuel and 6 nitrous ports that prays across the port top to bottom covering a larger area of the intlet to the intake, relying on the air flow coming in to distribute the mixture to the runner...

Our Plate is machined to use the stock GM O Ring Gasket. NOSs uses a paper gasket.

These are the main differences. I beleive either one will work. Im sure NOS put alot of time into desighneing there plate. I know we did. I just feel that our plate has alittle more work and thought process into it.. You can tell this simply by a simple comparison. I personally say pick which one you like and go with it.

Now Dyno numbers.
Well while you guys were tucked away nice and warm in your bed I was up to 3:30 am last week doing the final dyno testing on our plate system. As many of you know we have already had Brian using our first article on his GTO. He has had it on his car for about two months now and loves it.

OK we used a 2000 formula with GTP heads and the pig cam for testing. I could not get a stock car in time.This car already had a single nozzle NX kit on it so it saved tons of prep time.

All pulls were tested at 1050 psi.
Our base N/A HP was 403 and Base torque was 378 air fuel was 12.5

We then did a N/A pull with just the plate on. The pull was 409HP and 385 Torque air fuel was 12.5

Next was to fire the nitrous For some reason this car really liked the juice.
The car seen higher numbers than expected with opur plate and the NX single nozzle. I feel that the cars set up just really likes the nitrous

Here is the pulls with jetting.

35N-22F= 483HP and 500 Torque air fuel was 12.7
52N-33F= 549HP and 595 Torque air fuel atarted at 13.2 went down to 11.8
62N-38F= Ran out of fuel pump so we had to let off at 5000 rpms. 590HP and 620 Torque air fuel spiked 13.8 droped to 13.0 and was still dropping from the fuel pump recovering but I had already let off.

We did a 100 shot comparison with the plate and the single nozzle
The plate made the 549-595
The nozzle made 538-590

I was very pleased with the Dyno results,the real road testing and how the plate flows.
We will start shipping these units this week.

Thanks guys for reading.
Dave

 

Awesome results!!!! This plate should work out really well for you

 

good info Dave! I like the testing