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From: Tomball, Texas
Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
so are you guys saying that with the same jets installed that this nozzle simply flowed more nitrous then the others....resulting in more power?
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Originally Posted by ALBERT@COLD FUSION
Thats exactly what Im saying. And its simple to do with a liquid. However, nitrous is a bit more tricky because you need a very accurate scale to weight the nitrous. Consider this: what is going to have less restriction a .125 hole or a .090? So, you have a .070 jet before the nozzle. Just because the nozzle is slightly larger than the jet does not meen there isnt a restriction. The larger orifice nozzle will produce more liquid in the test cup than the smaller nozzle. the larger the jet the more the nozzle matters for volume. But, you dont have to believe me set up your own test flow bench and run the tests for your self. Its easier to believe when you see it.
Ok been an intesesting thread thats for sure. lol
Now the whole flowing thing is correct a larger orifice will be less restrictive but your .125 orifice hole has a least 6 turns in it.(one at the end where the fitting screws in, and those 5 holes at the tip. And turns make for restrictions also.
Now my question the nozzle has 1 .125 orfice hole for nitrous, and 5 .054 discharge holes. That surface area is = to .1207. Now that large orifce in the nozzle has a restrictor down stream.
Now I am not saying the nozzle does not work. In fact I would be most interested in in being present on the dyno day, ( If possible (your ok needed)and IF I can get away, or have one of my guys there).
Strictly as an observation!!!
Ricky
Originally Posted by NitrousDirect
This Patent Pending 90 Degree Annular Nozzle Hands Down makes more power & earlier than any nozzle tested using identical jets.
1/8 Thread
(fits/replaces 1/8 nozzles stand alone)
90 Degree Style Nozzle
.125 nitrous Orifice
5x.054 nitrous outlets
.125 Fuel Orifice
w/ .125 Fuel Outlet
Reason why it makes more power
Breaks nitrous into 5 smaller streams so the fuel can penetrate and atomize more completely with the nitrous
Originally Posted by ALBERT@COLD FUSION
Thats exactly what Im saying. And its simple to do with a liquid. However, nitrous is a bit more tricky because you need a very accurate scale to weight the nitrous. Consider this: what is going to have less restriction a .125 hole or a .090? So, you have a .070 jet before the nozzle. Just because the nozzle is slightly larger than the jet does not meen there isnt a restriction. The larger orifice nozzle will produce more liquid in the test cup than the smaller nozzle. the larger the jet the more the nozzle matters for volume. But, you dont have to believe me set up your own test flow bench and run the tests for your self. Its easier to believe when you see it.
Thanks for the answer. I have NO problem believeing that. The Multitude of questions and replies by some pitching the nozzle where saying the power increase was due to better atomization. Which I did not buy. I can definately see that if it flows more then more power will result. But again as we covered in the other thread the nozzle is but one piece of the puzzle. Many other things can affect HP including just changing jets. Thats why I dont get the hype of one nozzle being "better" than the next simply because it makes XXX amount of power with XXX jet sizes. As long as the entire combo will flow enough to make the HP you want...its a moot point IMO.
As I said before i would be interested in flow characteristics over a wide range especially towards max flow.
In other words...if you have a kit with decent noids that flow 250 a good -4 line and a nozzle that will spray up to 250 rwhp. It makes no difference what jets are in the nozzle when you achieve your desired HP level of say....150 rwhp.
I can see where a nozzle like yours may be benifical in race classes where they limit the jet size. that could be helpful.
Anyways...i think originally in this thread the hype got a bit sidetracked and misunderstood on what was being claimed.
Nice nozzle. Im sure your customers will enjoy them
Originally Posted by NXRICKY
Let start by saying my post is not banging the product nor is there any sarcasm.
Now I am not saying the nozzle does not work. In fact I would be most interested in in being present on the dyno day, ( If possible (your ok needed)and IF I can get away, or have one of my guys there).
Strictly as an observation!!!
Ricky
Now I am not saying the nozzle does not work. In fact I would be most interested in in being present on the dyno day, ( If possible (your ok needed)and IF I can get away, or have one of my guys there).
Strictly as an observation!!!
Ricky
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Thanks for the clear up Albert. And I agree with Al, this nozzle would seem to work well in classes with certain limitations. But it is a piece of a much bigger puzzle. I'm still very interested in your guy's upcoming testing.
Macon, I didn't know you boys in South Carolina knew what ice skating was.....
. Just givin' you hell, although here in Tx. we don't see too much ice either but I would be up for a good football game w/ no flags
. On second thought I'm for of a basketball player myself......man I got way off topic.....my apologies, lol.
Back to the nozzles....
Macon, I didn't know you boys in South Carolina knew what ice skating was.....
. Just givin' you hell, although here in Tx. we don't see too much ice either but I would be up for a good football game w/ no flags . On second thought I'm for of a basketball player myself......man I got way off topic.....my apologies, lol.Back to the nozzles....
Originally Posted by Robert56
Graphs are on another thread.
Whew, leave for less than a day and all hell breaks loose.
Robert
Whew, leave for less than a day and all hell breaks loose.
Robert
one more thing, where is Dean from DynoTune...he hasn't joined in on this game
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
From what I see. The graphs show nothing other than the fact it was tested completely wrong.... And hold no proof at all. Am I missing something???? 
Dave
Dave
Robert
To the top for, mrr23's viewing pleasure. There is also a dyno thread floating around. Once all the skeptics and naysayers get finished, we just may see the rest of the info. Can we say Bigus footus removus, for some?
Robert
Robert
Originally Posted by Robert56
hmmm...missing something, I believe what's missing is owning a car with a dry kit. Other than that, my mouth is sealed. However, if an open statement with an implication is presented, I would like to see some indication of where your coming from.
Robert
Robert
Originally Posted by Macon
Robert c'mon those "dyno sheets" look at best suspicious. It seems pretty clear to me that they are at worst mis-represtetational at best inconclusive. I would not have published "those" dyno sheets...CF or ND thought differently I suppose. Anyway...
Robert
Originally Posted by Robert56
Macon, unless you've got something to say, these implications show no more than looking to provoke?
I would say, imo, band wagon jumping is the point.
How many comparative dyno tests have you actually done to come to this conclusion?
or inspired by others, to put out doubt, as is the point of some on this thread.
Bottom line is this nozzle works and some camps seem a little threatened, imo.
Robert
Robert
Originally Posted by NitrousDirect
Thanks. Score one for nx and dave again, not following rules or being ethical.
I think that's funny since you didn't exactly follow the rules either since Tony posted this
I also agree that Scott should not have mentioned other brand names in this press release. He should have said something like "Other Leading Brands" without specifying brand names. He claims that this is exactly what Cold Fusion sent him, but we do not have the agreement with Cold Fusion and he should have filtered the content himself since he is responsible for posting it.
Regardless, I'm interested in seeing customer's results. I've always been skeptical when a company does testing on their own products against other competitor's products.
I'll get to see some results soon from Ravenous TA
Originally Posted by Macon
No, I thought about it for several days, showed the dyno sheets to 2 other people I trust and am very clear that there is not nearly enough information to draw any useful conclusions. Please stop suggesting that I am provocative. I'll tell you when I am.
Incorrect, I am agreeing with several other people here. Every member of this forum reserves the right to agree or disagree with others.
I have shared these dyno sheets with several people who are teaching me how to decipher dyno sheets. There is an astounding degree of agreement that these dyno sheets are not enough to draw any conclusions. See, I am in fact not in this alone. I use resources you wouldn't believe.
Sounds like the suggestion that the conspiracy is in full swing again? I don't know? Maybe you guy(s) want me to say i'm getting huges discounts from folks like Nitro Dave and others. Frankly, Dave reminded me 2 days ago that a bracket I wanted was on sale for a whopping 10% off. See I like these guys, some of whom are in my sig and I pay the same as anyone else...well I hope so anyway! So c'mon I just can't say i'm in league with anyone here. I'm not trying to discredit the Cold Fusion product. Just give me something we can look at to give it credit and i will.
That is not for me to say. I have this hope that new ideas will continuously come to the forefront. Time will tell. I certainly don't think these nozzles will put NX, NOS, TNT, Harris, Nitrous Outlet, Dyno Tune N20 or Zex out of business. I think product development is always in full swing at all these companies. I do think that a humble, well balanced business approach will in the end rule. I'll end this by saying this is the second post I made...my first was very angry in tone. That's not my style. You almost got me. I took a breath an reminded myself it aint worth it to get bent over an internet forum.
Incorrect, I am agreeing with several other people here. Every member of this forum reserves the right to agree or disagree with others.
I have shared these dyno sheets with several people who are teaching me how to decipher dyno sheets. There is an astounding degree of agreement that these dyno sheets are not enough to draw any conclusions. See, I am in fact not in this alone. I use resources you wouldn't believe.
Sounds like the suggestion that the conspiracy is in full swing again? I don't know? Maybe you guy(s) want me to say i'm getting huges discounts from folks like Nitro Dave and others. Frankly, Dave reminded me 2 days ago that a bracket I wanted was on sale for a whopping 10% off. See I like these guys, some of whom are in my sig and I pay the same as anyone else...well I hope so anyway! So c'mon I just can't say i'm in league with anyone here. I'm not trying to discredit the Cold Fusion product. Just give me something we can look at to give it credit and i will.
That is not for me to say. I have this hope that new ideas will continuously come to the forefront. Time will tell. I certainly don't think these nozzles will put NX, NOS, TNT, Harris, Nitrous Outlet, Dyno Tune N20 or Zex out of business. I think product development is always in full swing at all these companies. I do think that a humble, well balanced business approach will in the end rule. I'll end this by saying this is the second post I made...my first was very angry in tone. That's not my style. You almost got me. I took a breath an reminded myself it aint worth it to get bent over an internet forum.
Robert
Edit: Macon once again sorry. Your not at the center of my BS target, however, there are a few on my list that I am going to be calling out on a reg basis.
Last edited by Robert56; Feb 25, 2006 at 11:58 PM.