Robert56

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Your way to easy, why are you taking this so personal. I do not know you at all, and never personaly attacked you or called you a liar (as I don't know yet if your the one I was refering to). My ignore must be broke, as I just heard the ding ding for a reply. when you make it up this way, we'll settle this on the track. Oh did I tell you I have over 45 years experiance at the track, not all driving of course, but...

Ok enough playing around. Let's get back on track here and comment on nitrous stuff. I favor the plate kits a lot and see them taking over the biggest future market of n2o kits. It's a great idea, however, been around a while. The new generation of plates, as far as I know, have a much better distribution compared to plates of past. The front clyinders lean issue has been resolved. I also like how HSW has approached the distribution issue, very innovative with the 360 pattern. Now I still personaly like the dry kits and think they will also continue to grow in popularity. More and more guys are getting the dry thing figured out.
Robert

Edit: God I love this site, my favorite.

SSwanner

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ttt, kept the nozzle and got her tuned..... did rather well even with the th400 & 4k stall.

Sunset'01Z

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ok guys, i'm just a nitrous newbie, but i do know a little bit about how math and science works, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. I understand 200hp is 200hp, but i think what Jim is trying to say is that he made more hp using the plate kit vs the nozzle with the same amount of n20, proving that the plate is more effecient. That's what i dont think you understood Robert.

ps - you guys arguing about how much n20 experience you have is quite childish, and i'm only 20 years old.

SSwanner

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i'll be 20 on the 24th

Sunset'01Z

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haha nice. so did you ever get a plate SSwanner?

SSwanner

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nope, time got tight and **** started flying so i just kept the nozzle. i talked with dave today and when i change setups it will be to a vic. jr intake with a spraybar, elbow, 90mm t/b, and dedicated fuel system for the kit. in the mean time i'll just suffer through only spraying a 200 shot

Robert56

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No, I understood about the amount of nitrous. But, the fact of the matter is that fact is really void. the reason being, the amount of diff in n2o is so slight as to really not matter. you can read all about this area and see the math in the nozzle thread. It has been proven that 200hp is 200hp and if one system uses more or less no real meaning. There are so many factors in testing as we have found out, but in the end they are all so close as to say this kit makes more than this kit really dose not fly. Hey, If Jim is happy, that's all that counts.
Swanner, any numbers or times yet? Sounds like you'll be going the next level when you up grade.
Edit: Just saw your addition to the n2o list, congrats.
Robert

Sunset'01Z

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well like i said, i know very very little about the juice other than what i've read here. hell, i'm hoping to spray my car within the next year and when i decide on a kit, i want to make SURE i know what i'm getting, and that it is one of the best kits on the market at the right price for the size shot i want. but if i understand what you are saying, the effeciency of the plate vs the amount of extra n20 required to get the same desired hp from a nozzle will not adversly affect how much time i get spraying per bottle, thus making the plate system not so cost effecient. the problem is, what you see as "just a little bit" may not be the same as my "just a little bit". the effeciency is what i'm concerned about. if i can 1 more full pass per bottle using the plate over the nozzle with the same power output, i'm sold. in the end, it all adds up.

SSwanner

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thanks robert, with the single NX nozzle it picked up 100 to the wheels on a 100 shot.

Robert56

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If you read through the stickie on the nozzle shoot out, Al (383lq4ss) the mod does a good explanation and shows the percent diff, and it really is small. I don't think it would equate to an extra pass. You see, really I was trying to use the same argument, but was schooled on this as you'll see/read in the stickie.
Robert

SSwanner

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i don't mean to step on any toes but.....even depending on how much you purge, what size feed line you have, or anything can effect how long the bottle lasts. i could purge 1/4 a bottle and use 2lbs. on the pass for that matter, but i usually put 12lbs. in my bottle when i fill it


*please disregaurd if you feel offended, i'm kinda d-runk at this point of the evening

Sunset'01Z

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yea that's all true too. and one pass really isnt that much for a 100-125 shot. sad part is, i doubt i'll ever be installing nitrous on the camaro after today, nor any other "big" mod. just dont see it happening in the budget within the next few years. well its not like the car is slow or anything

Robert56

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Here is the scoop from the master himself, Dave. From another thread.
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Robert

orangeapeel

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Sunset'01Z

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well right now there are other things that my money should go towards first, like school, instead of car modification for personal pleasure. this is a very expensive and addicting hobby

since this is my only car, i need it to be reliable, and unfortunately, fun stuff like nitrous, torque converters, drag radials, and bigger cams dont all add up to reliability.

for now though i'm happy with what i got. i'll finish the mods i've already started and paid for, and drive the car as it is, and be confident that i'm still faster than about 95% of the other cars on the road.

faust

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this is really very sad, coming from a potential customer.I"ve trolled this board since 05 reading everything i could to increase my knowlegde and make informed decisions. I have become so turned off to so many vendors after reading through their posts. yes I'm sure that you guys [vendors] have a large following and will continue to grow, and I wish you well. however if your customers had a chance to read these posts wouldn't you think that would have a negative impact on your sales. one can only walk away from this forum with a predetermined attitude as to how your customer service is going to be if their was a problem, granted this is jmo, but it has and will be a factor in which vendors i use,let me be clear that I'm not trying to stir the fire. just pointing out how things look to outsiders,such as myself.I understand the need to defend your product/services when being flamed but there is a line between defending your rep and bashing

Robert56

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Very true. Yea, when a newbie dosen't really know where someone is coming from, they make take a situation wrongly. Probably would not if they new the personalities and the history of some us, as clown masters. good insight though and i will take it to heart, allthough I try to not be a dic to often. We (some of us) just like to have a little fun. don't worry, I have had my share of getting jumped on. and have learned not to take it to personal.
Robert

SSwanner

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poor 10bolt gave up the fight tonight after 2 1/2 years of me and more n2o than anyone can count

Robert56

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Sorry to hear that, but sounds like it lasted longer than most. Well just an opportunity to up grade. then a bigger hit can also be had.
Robert

SSwanner

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thanks robert, the bad thing is it broke 2 of the 4 bolts that hold the posi together (bolt inside the ringgear circle of bolts in same direction) it just poped the heads off of them.