Help an ignorant man here...
Originally Posted by Shuck
We can sit here and say what ifs all day, what if your injectors can keep up with the nitrous you are injecting,what if the MAF doesn't compensate like is shoud.
Not getting on you cause of running a wet kit. Your what if's will not be an issue in a properly set up system. My what if's are issues that arise after you properly set-up a wet hit. That's the difference, many things can cause engine problems from mechanical failures concerning wet, whereas, they won't be an issue with a dry hit.
I have ran a wet kit for three years now spraying 150 shot no problems, I will probably go have my noids rebuilt this winter. I find it easier to tune with my wet kit also. It is a personal choice, and wet I found to be a better deal for me.
This is fine and I wish you well. I am just trying to get the info out about dry hits. They are safer by design, period. Oh, by the way, I run a single nozzle wet hit as my third stage.
I don't misunderstand anything about the dry kit I have helped two friends install them and did much research on them before I bought my wet kit. Oh and my old roomate has a 2000 Z28 that the MAF failed on at the end of July, it does happen.
This remarkable failure happened while he was spraying a dry shot? That's the implication you were giving, and I rebutted it, nothing personal. This MAF failure thing is an old wives tale and really has no factual basis, this is where the misunderstanding comes from.
Not getting on you cause of running a wet kit. Your what if's will not be an issue in a properly set up system. My what if's are issues that arise after you properly set-up a wet hit. That's the difference, many things can cause engine problems from mechanical failures concerning wet, whereas, they won't be an issue with a dry hit.
I have ran a wet kit for three years now spraying 150 shot no problems, I will probably go have my noids rebuilt this winter. I find it easier to tune with my wet kit also. It is a personal choice, and wet I found to be a better deal for me.
This is fine and I wish you well. I am just trying to get the info out about dry hits. They are safer by design, period. Oh, by the way, I run a single nozzle wet hit as my third stage.
I don't misunderstand anything about the dry kit I have helped two friends install them and did much research on them before I bought my wet kit. Oh and my old roomate has a 2000 Z28 that the MAF failed on at the end of July, it does happen.
This remarkable failure happened while he was spraying a dry shot? That's the implication you were giving, and I rebutted it, nothing personal. This MAF failure thing is an old wives tale and really has no factual basis, this is where the misunderstanding comes from.
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
Robert
Like I said wet was a better fit to me, I would rather not have the computer to compensate when I can force fuel in thru the noid.
And no, my friend was not spraying at all, just threw a code and the car would die and would not idle right. so he put one of his friends stock maf and the car ran fine.
Originally Posted by Shuck
Like I said, I think it is a personal decision. I run wet because even though my 98 has the bigger injectors, I would not risk running dry with them and the stock fuel pump and spraying 150 shot. I am not trying to spread any incorrect info about dry kits, everything I have said to my knowledge is not wrong.
Like I said wet was a better fit to me, I would rather not have the computer to compensate when I can force fuel in thru the noid.
And no, my friend was not spraying at all, just threw a code and the car would die and would not idle right. so he put one of his friends stock maf and the car ran fine.
Like I said wet was a better fit to me, I would rather not have the computer to compensate when I can force fuel in thru the noid.
And no, my friend was not spraying at all, just threw a code and the car would die and would not idle right. so he put one of his friends stock maf and the car ran fine.
Robert
Both wet and dry serve there purpos. I disagree that either one is safer than the other.
Both have the patential of destroying a motor when not used right.
For the dry guys..
Here you go..
What if your maf goes bad?
Why do they make fuel injector cleaner?
For the wet guys.
What if the fuel solenoid malfuctions?
What about the fuel vapors in the intake?
For both guys
What if your fuel pump fails?
What if your airfuel is way off?
What if your timming is way off?
All these offer potential problems...
Anyone that tells you that there is a gaurantee that you will not hurt your motor with nitrous is full of it.
There is always a possibility. Thats the chances you take with adding any after market power adder weather its turbo,supercharger, or nitrous.
With all that said. Study what you plan on doing with the car? Your capabilities as far as computer tunning? Upgrades that may need to be done to run the system you are looking at. Then decide which one works best for you.
The most important thing is deal with someone that can give you great technical advice, Some one that will sell you a great product, And will be there to help you after your purchase. (this is when you will need the most questions answered tech wise).
And last but not least... Have fun doing it...
Dave
Both have the patential of destroying a motor when not used right.
For the dry guys..
Here you go..
What if your maf goes bad?
Why do they make fuel injector cleaner?
For the wet guys.
What if the fuel solenoid malfuctions?
What about the fuel vapors in the intake?
For both guys
What if your fuel pump fails?
What if your airfuel is way off?
What if your timming is way off?
All these offer potential problems...
Anyone that tells you that there is a gaurantee that you will not hurt your motor with nitrous is full of it.
There is always a possibility. Thats the chances you take with adding any after market power adder weather its turbo,supercharger, or nitrous.
With all that said. Study what you plan on doing with the car? Your capabilities as far as computer tunning? Upgrades that may need to be done to run the system you are looking at. Then decide which one works best for you.
The most important thing is deal with someone that can give you great technical advice, Some one that will sell you a great product, And will be there to help you after your purchase. (this is when you will need the most questions answered tech wise).
And last but not least... Have fun doing it...
Dave
Is that a real good argument? I think that either system, or no system, can have Fuel Pump/delivery issues when it comes to the pump or injectors. It boils down to the cycle life of the two components (solenoid vs. MAF) and which will fail first (or more likely to fail). I can guarantee you, a Solenoid (electrically driven MECHANICAL device) will fail LOOOOONG before a solid state electronic component. How can I say that??? 'cuz I'm a Mechanical Engineer. LOL.
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Both wet and dry serve there purpos. I disagree that either one is safer than the other.
Both have the patential of destroying a motor when not used right.
For the dry guys..
Here you go..
What if your maf goes bad?
I challenge anyone to find someone who had a MAF fail while spraying a dry shot. Shuck had stated an attemp to show a MAF failed, but in reality even that was likely just a dirty wire that needed to be cleaned. This is the absolutest weakest attempt of using wives tale info to put the dry down. It's pure nonsense.
Why do they make fuel injector cleaner?
What the hell is this supposed to imply. Somehow your injector is going out while spraying a dry shot, come on how weak. The chances of this happening are much greater just driving down the road. You guys need to come up with something that really matters.
For the wet guys.
What if the fuel solenoid malfuctions? ExactlyWhat about the fuel vapors in the intake? Exactly
For both guys
What if your fuel pump fails? Should be running a FPSS on both wet/dry.
What if your airfuel is way off? Should be tuned before spraying for both.
What if your timming is way off? Should be tuned before spraying for both.
All these offer potential problems...
Anyone that tells you that there is a gaurantee that you will not hurt your motor with nitrous is full of it.
A greater chance with wet, for sure. Like I have been saying for years, "Try to find someone who has hurt their motor running a properly set-up dry hit." this statement will not work for wet hits, and there are threads on the wet damage/carnage evrytime someone ask for nitrous nightmare stories, but never any dry nightmare stories. I can pull these threads up if you like. The onlytimes I have heard of someone hurting their motor on a dry hit was when they go to big on stock injectors and go way lean, but that's not a properly set-up system.
There is always a possibility. Thats the chances you take with adding any after market power adder weather its turbo,supercharger, or nitrous.
Chance yes, but if you can minimise the chance why not, and thus I present the Dry hits.
With all that said. Study what you plan on doing with the car? Your capabilities as far as computer tunning? Upgrades that may need to be done to run the system you are looking at. Then decide which one works best for you.
I can't disagree with this.
The most important thing is deal with someone that can give you great technical advice, Some one that will sell you a great product, And will be there to help you after your purchase. (this is when you will need the most questions answered tech wise).
This is good also, even though you might get a tech rep that is biased.
And last but not least... Have fun doing it...
Dave
Both have the patential of destroying a motor when not used right.
For the dry guys..
Here you go..
What if your maf goes bad?
I challenge anyone to find someone who had a MAF fail while spraying a dry shot. Shuck had stated an attemp to show a MAF failed, but in reality even that was likely just a dirty wire that needed to be cleaned. This is the absolutest weakest attempt of using wives tale info to put the dry down. It's pure nonsense.
Why do they make fuel injector cleaner?
What the hell is this supposed to imply. Somehow your injector is going out while spraying a dry shot, come on how weak. The chances of this happening are much greater just driving down the road. You guys need to come up with something that really matters.
For the wet guys.
What if the fuel solenoid malfuctions? ExactlyWhat about the fuel vapors in the intake? Exactly
For both guys
What if your fuel pump fails? Should be running a FPSS on both wet/dry.
What if your airfuel is way off? Should be tuned before spraying for both.
What if your timming is way off? Should be tuned before spraying for both.
All these offer potential problems...
Anyone that tells you that there is a gaurantee that you will not hurt your motor with nitrous is full of it.
A greater chance with wet, for sure. Like I have been saying for years, "Try to find someone who has hurt their motor running a properly set-up dry hit." this statement will not work for wet hits, and there are threads on the wet damage/carnage evrytime someone ask for nitrous nightmare stories, but never any dry nightmare stories. I can pull these threads up if you like. The onlytimes I have heard of someone hurting their motor on a dry hit was when they go to big on stock injectors and go way lean, but that's not a properly set-up system.
There is always a possibility. Thats the chances you take with adding any after market power adder weather its turbo,supercharger, or nitrous.
Chance yes, but if you can minimise the chance why not, and thus I present the Dry hits.
With all that said. Study what you plan on doing with the car? Your capabilities as far as computer tunning? Upgrades that may need to be done to run the system you are looking at. Then decide which one works best for you.
I can't disagree with this.
The most important thing is deal with someone that can give you great technical advice, Some one that will sell you a great product, And will be there to help you after your purchase. (this is when you will need the most questions answered tech wise).
This is good also, even though you might get a tech rep that is biased.
And last but not least... Have fun doing it...
Dave
Originally Posted by Todd157k
Is that a real good argument? I think that either system, or no system, can have Fuel Pump/delivery issues when it comes to the pump or injectors. It boils down to the cycle life of the two components (solenoid vs. MAF) and which will fail first (or more likely to fail). I can guarantee you, a Solenoid (electrically driven MECHANICAL device) will fail LOOOOONG before a solid state electronic component. How can I say that??? 'cuz I'm a Mechanical Engineer. LOL.
Robert
Thanks Robert. I work for a very large aerospace company that makes electro-mechanical switches / valves and actuators for both military and commercial aircraft. Our devices are in EVERY plane in the air. Every device we sell still has a "cycle life", no matter how expensive. I thought about utilizing some of our design ideas in the N2O world but the bottom line is that the cost far exceeds the value. N2O 'noids are cheap and are relatively reliable. But that still doesn't make them "solid state". LOL.
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Robert,
You have to much free time..
Lets make this short.
You are right Dry systems are the best thing ever created. Everything else sucks....
Do you feel better now...
Ohh by the way. Bad Habit bird had his maff go bad SITTING ON MY DYNO......
And out of the amount of Volume we move and the amount of phone calls we take for tech a day. I can count the number of bad fuel solenoids on my hands.. Thats pretty damn good odds.
Everyone has there area of expertise and ofcourse everyone on the interent is a internet know it all.lol
So this wet /dry thing could go on for ever...
I do not see how anyone could claim one is better than the other..
Both serve there purpos and both have there areas that best fit different people's needs..
I am done with this post because I do not have the amount of free time you guys have..
Thanks
Dave
You have to much free time..
Lets make this short.
You are right Dry systems are the best thing ever created. Everything else sucks....
Do you feel better now...
Ohh by the way. Bad Habit bird had his maff go bad SITTING ON MY DYNO......
And out of the amount of Volume we move and the amount of phone calls we take for tech a day. I can count the number of bad fuel solenoids on my hands.. Thats pretty damn good odds.
Everyone has there area of expertise and ofcourse everyone on the interent is a internet know it all.lol
So this wet /dry thing could go on for ever...
I do not see how anyone could claim one is better than the other..
Both serve there purpos and both have there areas that best fit different people's needs..
I am done with this post because I do not have the amount of free time you guys have..
Thanks
Dave
Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Robert,
You have to much free time..
Lets make this short.
You are right Dry systems are the best thing ever created. Everything else sucks....
Do you feel better now...
Ohh by the way. Bad Habit bird had his maff go bad SITTING ON MY DYNO......
And out of the amount of Volume we move and the amount of phone calls we take for tech a day. I can count the number of bad fuel solenoids on my hands.. Thats pretty damn good odds.
Everyone has there area of expertise and ofcourse everyone on the interent is a internet know it all.lol
So this wet /dry thing could go on for ever...
I do not see how anyone could claim one is better than the other..
Both serve there purpos and both have there areas that best fit different people's needs..
I am done with this post because I do not have the amount of free time you guys have..
Thanks
Dave
You have to much free time..
Lets make this short.
You are right Dry systems are the best thing ever created. Everything else sucks....
Do you feel better now...
Ohh by the way. Bad Habit bird had his maff go bad SITTING ON MY DYNO......
And out of the amount of Volume we move and the amount of phone calls we take for tech a day. I can count the number of bad fuel solenoids on my hands.. Thats pretty damn good odds.
Everyone has there area of expertise and ofcourse everyone on the interent is a internet know it all.lol
So this wet /dry thing could go on for ever...
I do not see how anyone could claim one is better than the other..
Both serve there purpos and both have there areas that best fit different people's needs..
I am done with this post because I do not have the amount of free time you guys have..
Thanks
Dave
Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
Ok what ever, but your implying that dry hits are a risk somehow? the stock fuel pump would/will be taxed equally whether you run wet or dry?
Robert
Robert
Like I said before it is a personal decision, I chose wet because of the shot I am running and I think it is easier to tune for me because I adjust it myself with HPtuners.
Originally Posted by Shuck
I am not implying that dry kits are a bigger risk, any nitrous kit will be some what of a risk just because of they way they work but for me running dry would be to me a little risky because I am jetting up to 150 shot and maybe a little higher, yes the fuel pump will be taxed the same with wet or dry but the injectors will get a little more work with a dry kit than a wet just because I am running fuel right off the rail.
Like I said before it is a personal decision, I chose wet because of the shot I am running and I think it is easier to tune for me because I adjust it myself with HPtuners.
Like I said before it is a personal decision, I chose wet because of the shot I am running and I think it is easier to tune for me because I adjust it myself with HPtuners.
Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
Not sure what your talking about?
Robert
Robert
http://nitrousdirect.com/brackets.html
Originally Posted by Shuck
Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
that's our biggest after market BB we sell. A great product at a great cost. We have one other billet B/B, made by NX. Can be seen going to home page then to new online store.
Robert
Robert
Yeah that is what I was thinking. I machined a piece very similar to the one you sell. I seen it from another guys setup and made it in my CNC class, now everyone who see's it wants me to make them one. I guess it is not just in my area.