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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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So this is a big question......

Do I NEED a lid to run my N2O????
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Should I have 1 to run my N2O???

does it make some kind of difference??
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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Usually a lid is one of the first mods most people do. You dont need one to run nitrous, the lid and nitrous are completely unrelated.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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I know they are unrelated.. But was unsure if there would be any advantage with the Lid. I see alot of people getting lids, and that being the first upgrade. But I am more in the boat of an upgrade should consist of more horsepower then gaining 6 - 10 horses for 100 dollars.

I am in the boat of do N2O first, then heads, cams, rollers, rods, etc.
so I can then add a 2nd stage.

The lid looks good, but if my only benefit is a few horses, not too interested.
But if there is an advantage for running my N2O, then I will lid and N2O same time, but if no advantage. I will place N2O on order.

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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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no advantage then except for the 10 HP you might pick up from the lid.

If you think it is heads, cam, rollers, and rods that will allow you hit a 2 stage you are mistaken and you may need to do some more reading up my friend.

IMO sounds like you are jumping into nitrous without much knowledge of these motors, no offense.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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Oh NO, I am not thinking that is all for 2nd stage.. I was just saying I will be heading for a 2nd stage... That will be a year or 2 out.. But I am trying to figure out about the lid mainly...

I know what is needed for running 100 shot 1 stage of N2O, not really anything, execpt like the lean kill switch, and what not that you connect with the N2O setup.

Yeah, for the 2nd stage I need tons done... Not even going there yet..
But for 100 shot stage 1, I should be set.. well doing NGK tr6's for my plugs, not touching fuel, for what I have seen dont need to worry yet.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 09:51 AM
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keep reading here my freind. There is lots to learn. Forget everything you THINK you know about nitrous and just read read read. Youll get a grasp sooner than you think.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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keep reading here my freind. There is lots to learn. Forget everything you THINK you know about nitrous and just read read read. Youll get a grasp sooner than you think.
Definitely... If your planning on cam and head setup soon then you want to get the most air in and the most air out. IMHO i would get the lid, a set of headers, exhaust, and p&p your tb. Then you'll be ready for other mods. You want to build it from the ground up. Start off with those little things like the lid. Then work your way up. But thats just my opinion. If you want to jump into nitrous with no supporting mods. Go right ahead. Oh and it would be smart to change your fuel delivery once you go with nitrous. Just to be on the safe side and keep up with your gas.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 10:37 AM
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I have read thru all the threads here under the N2O section, and that is why I had decided to go straight to N2O.

I have read that I can safely install a 100 wet shot on the car... All stock, nothing done, and that would be fine... I have a buddy who also has a 150 wet shot and has no issues....

There is a few threads of people doing nothing on their ls1's and putting a 150 shot with no problems... Of course when you are sparying you will have to be safe and not go all crazy...

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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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no doubt just put the 100 shot on and some tr6's and maybe a new 255 fuel pump for some added safety. Verify AFR with a wideband to make sure its not too lean and youre set.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Yeah you can safely add up to 150 and your stock injectors and stock pump can keep up. But if you wanna add a cam heads this and that. Then you will need to change your fuel delivery. Bigger injectors and a better fuel pump. But once again you can do as you please. Good luck
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 11:07 AM
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Or run a 600shot dry through a stock motor. thats what Im doing
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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Or run a 600shot dry through a stock motor. thats what Im doing

600 dryshot, um did you mean 60 dry... Cuz 600 sounds a little crazy to be doing that on a stock motor...

but for the time being I am putting 100shot, stock everything. Will do any adjusting afr with wide band. I will have 150shot nozzle also, and 75, but will run 100 first time out to play with, and do any adjusting I need to do.

of course will have my fuel/air kill switch that you can get with the dynotune kit.

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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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with a wet shot you dont have to worry about injectors at all, just the fuel pump.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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Yea read the Wet vs. Dry thread that is constantly growing in size. I have read that more than a few times myself and wow....not even going to get started on how much I have learned. And that was ONE thread that I read. There is a lot of information on this site. I already have a few nitrous kits laying around, and have yet to isntall them because i'm still learning this nitrous stuff. I'm newish to the domestic, big motor, nitrous spraying game, but if there is one thing i have learned, its that when it comes to nitrous, dont just jump into it without doing a TON of research first. Just my two cents...
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Trust me.. I am taking in everything everybody inputs... I am not wanting to just jump in, but I am a GM guy and have had camaros all my life...
Never had spray, but does not seem that hard.. Gotta be smart about it.. If I got spray 9 years ago, I would of dogged something out...
But I am cautious, but with spray, no one ever knows.. You can do all you want, but it seems that if something is going to go wrong, you will not have control of it..

well you will have a cut off switch to try and not damage alot....
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by quickblade
Trust me.. I am taking in everything everybody inputs... I am not wanting to just jump in, but I am a GM guy and have had camaros all my life...
Never had spray, but does not seem that hard.. Gotta be smart about it.. If I got spray 9 years ago, I would of dogged something out...
But I am cautious, but with spray, no one ever knows.. You can do all you want, but it seems that if something is going to go wrong, you will not have control of it..

well you will have a cut off switch to try and not damage alot....

Most retarded comment about n2o I have ever heard.

If any of you sponsors who sell n2o are watching, do not sell this person any nitrous. I would hate to see him blow up his motor because he has the non-chalance-ness to think that you dont have control over things going wrong.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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The issue is not "the lid gives me only xxHP for $xx.xx." The lid is just like most other intake / exhaust mods and should be thought of as an approximate percentage rather than an approximate number. The lid will only marginally help you over stock, but you would gain more power if you had more...i.e. heads, cam, etc., etc.

What I'm saying is it's a contributor to the total package and is probably worth it. Buy the lid, and then keep on adding mods.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Specialized
Most retarded comment about n2o I have ever heard.

If any of you sponsors who sell n2o are watching, do not sell this person any nitrous. I would hate to see him blow up his motor because he has the non-chalance-ness to think that you dont have control over things going wrong.

OK, so since maybe I did not say that correctly.. BUT What I am saying is, even if you do all the tuning you need to do, and for some reason you get a hiccup/back fire in the intake.... WHAT you are saying is you will be able to control that.... That is the control I am saying you dont have control over.
But since you feel you can have control over this... please inform me...
Because I know peeps with N2O and if something happens that will cause a problem, and you are racing, well, boom.

So please inform me of how you would have control of a back fire in your intake???
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DRY DRY DRY DRY DRY


Dry will rule the world.


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Plus- my new combo is going to be using an ls2 intake not a FAST so if/when I do have some sort of hiccup- its only a 150$ mistake not a 400$ mistake lol. But I only plan on running wet for the second stage. And the first is going to be roughly 200hp worth of dry.
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