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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 04:07 AM
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had my car on the dyno last night at was somewhat dissapointed in the n2o numbers. Only 80rwhp with 150hp jets. Heres a short run down,

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ngk tr6's @ .35
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21* timing on the top with 0*KR
11.6-11.8 AFR

My question is simple what would be the most likely cause of the low hp? if there is any other info you need pls ask

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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 05:00 AM
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What's the rest of the car have done? What tranny, exhaust, what else is done to the motor, etc.etc.
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 06:02 AM
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what jet brand r they? becouse im pretty sure nx jets r for whp! if they r not nx jets then they might not be mesured the same!
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
What's the rest of the car have done? What tranny, exhaust, what else is done to the motor, etc.etc.
It has a built 4l60 3800 yank locked, pace setter LT and 3in back to an open cut out, the rest of the motor is a 216/224 cam patriot s2 heads, 78 fast p&p TB, lid, the rest of the bolt ons.. stock bottom end

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what jet brand r they? becouse im pretty sure nx jets r for whp! if they r not nx jets then they might not be mesured the same!
They are the HSW stainless jets, which i believe are rated at whp
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 04:10 AM
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what # jets were they?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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I had a similar question....My NOS brand jets for 100 shot only gained me 57 RWHP
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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It has a built 4l60 3800 yank locked, pace setter LT and 3in back to an open cut out, the rest of the motor is a 216/224 cam patriot s2 heads, 78 fast p&p TB, lid, the rest of the bolt ons.. stock bottom end
When you say the converter is locked, do you mean that it is always locked or was it only locked on the dyno? The reason I ask is that I saw a big difference in HP #s on the dyno between my converter being locked and unlocked on the spray. I had a 42 HP discrepency between locked and unlocked on the spray with my 3400 converter.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ARCTICWHITE98Z28
When you say the converter is locked, do you mean that it is always locked or was it only locked on the dyno? The reason I ask is that I saw a big difference in HP #s on the dyno between my converter being locked and unlocked on the spray. I had a 42 HP discrepency between locked and unlocked on the spray with my 3400 converter.
it was only locked on the dyno... did you have higher numbers when locked or unlocked?
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Originally Posted by WheelsUp84z
what # jets were they?
i cant remember off the top of my head, but they were very simmilar to the 150hp jets i was running with my cold fusion nozzle.




also a long time ago i had dyno'd the car with the cold fusion single nozzle and only got 70rwhp with the 150hp jets in.

Could this mean my selenoids may be goin out? or possibly the bottle not flowing what it should?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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If one system did it and now the other is check these things out.

1. Actual jets in plate- (Orfice size)
2.Orfice size on the solenoids

If you have the correct orfice size jets and the solenoids are over a .063 on the nitrous you may be blowing through the convertor.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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That's what I was thinking, it sounds like you are blowing through the converter.

Wha gear/tire size are you running? And what MPH were yor running at the end of the pull?

Also slicks will rob some power on the dyno, not as much as you are missing but it could be part of the problem if you were running slicks.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
If one system did it and now the other is check these things out.

1. Actual jets in plate- (Orfice size)
2.Orfice size on the solenoids

If you have the correct orfice size jets and the solenoids are over a .063 on the nitrous you may be blowing through the convertor.
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Thanks ill check out the solenoid orfice in a lil and post it up. What exactly is mean by "blowing through the converter"?

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That's what I was thinking, it sounds like you are blowing through the converter.

Wha gear/tire size are you running? And what MPH were yor running at the end of the pull?

Also slicks will rob some power on the dyno, not as much as you are missing but it could be part of the problem if you were running slicks.
3.73 rear gear and 275/45/17 nitto 555 tire. i dont exactly remember the mph but i believe it was in the 13x range
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Id say solenoids, i gained 101-103hp/tq from the HSW plate, using NOS solenoids and the 100 shot no2 and 125 feul
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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I always had a hunch that you weren't getting a full 150 to the wheels. Once you figure this out you're going to be in the 10's for sure.

Danny, i would check the solenoids. They might be a restriction.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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Blowing through the convertor is the same terminallogy as pushing through the convertor.
Basically the convertor not delivering the power to the drive train. Its comparable to a slipping clutch.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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If the converter is locked on the dyno though, then in theory it shouldn't be blowing through the converter though correct? Doesn't mean it can't if the clutch material is worn or not up to the power though.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Im no tranny expert. This would be a area better for Ellis. However Locked or unlocked if the convertor can not handle the power it will still push through it.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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I have seen more then one 'Locked' converter get blown trough on the Dyno.

Post up the graph's so we can get a better I dea what is going on. you will probably have to look at the in speed instead of RPM.

Post the up for us!
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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This converter and tranny only have about 2000 miles on them.. if that helps
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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I have seen brand new convertors off the shelf have issues.

Like Ellis said post up a dyno graph.
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