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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 11:13 PM
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well i just put a dyno tune dry kit on my car, ive got a walbro 255 pump and 42# inj. other mods in sig. i have the nitrous outlet window switch with the electronic wot switch built in it. ive sprayed the car about 5 times on the 150 shot and it seemed to hit ok, but just not that hard. so i had my tuner go for a ride to check everything, and when i hit it the first time with the wide band hooked up it went to 17:1 and stayed there for about 4 seconds so he told me to get out of it. why was it going so lean? i thought the mass air meter was supposed to compensate for it and tell the pcm to add fuel? we have the nozzle at the very front of the lid bout 12in. from the maf, sprayin directly towards it. but after that first hit he added fuel to it and man what a difference it hits so hard now, and the a/f is at 11.5. I guess im just wonering why it went so lean, and why didnt i hurt the motor before i found out?
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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The mass air is supposed to calibrate the right A/F mixture on those kits.
What did your tuner say? He would be the first one i would ask.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 12:25 AM
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he just said that the mass must not have been able to keep up with that big of a shot. it was a 175 flywheel shot. he hadnt had a chance to tune on it before then, so it wasnt anything that he would have known before then
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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You are probably too far from the maf to properly read. The nozzle needs to be around 4 to 6 inches from the MAF for a good reading.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Also dont point it directly at the MAF bc the nitrous will freeze the lil wires inside of the MAF and cause the car to run lean or rich.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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If youre running stock injectors they cant keep up with a 150 dry shot on top of a cammed car. You would be starving it for fuel.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:04 AM
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If youre running stock injectors they cant keep up with a 150 dry shot on top of a cammed car. You would be starving it for fuel.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:13 AM
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Make sure to keep updating this thread. Don't just figure out the problem and not tell everyone.
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I would say that it is too far from the MAF- part of the problem, and how do you have it pointed?

Did you just clean your air filter?
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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It's TOO far from the Maf. Try and move the nozzle(s) in the 3" to 5" away and pointing directly at the wires. Then, with a smaller shot, start testing. Usually a small rotation makes a big difference.
Take a look at Robert56's website for some pictures of nozzle placement. Also, run the TR6 plugs if you haven't already.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bjamick
Also dont point it directly at the MAF bc the nitrous will freeze the lil wires inside of the MAF and cause the car to run lean or rich.
You want it directly at the maf for the richest reading. The wires will not freeze as they are heated. The only thing that may freeze is the screen if it was not removed.
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Originally Posted by Sigforty
You are probably too far from the maf to properly read. The nozzle needs to be around 4 to 6 inches from the MAF for a good reading.
i talked to dyno tune today, and they said to get the nozzle as far away from the maf as possible, up to 12 inches. he said that getting it real close, like less than 6 inches could cause a problem of the maf not reading the nitrous due to it blowing by too quickly. also they said that the nozzle is best pointed directly at the maf.
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Originally Posted by KBOBOZ71
i talked to dyno tune today, and they said to get the nozzle as far away from the maf as possible, up to 12 inches. he said that getting it real close, like less than 6 inches could cause a problem of the maf not reading the nitrous due to it blowing by too quickly. also they said that the nozzle is best pointed directly at the maf.
The problem with it being further away from the MAF is it will be diluted. The MAF will not read it as well as up close. There is alot of expierence giving you good info on this thread. To get the PCM to command the extra fuel it needs a good dense charge flowing across the MAF, not a diluted charge. You may get a better mix with the incoming air further away from the MAF, but unless the PCM see's it and commands the fuel, your gonna be lean. Lean is Bad.


Do a search for something like "nozzle position", you will see this is covered frequently.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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Beer pretty much summed it up for you. While I know Dean and them sell some good products on that dry advice I am with Beer.
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So what was your timing set at for such a big dry shot?
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So what was your timing set at for such a big dry shot?
the timing is set at 23*.
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well now since hes had a chance to tune it, i plan on leaving the nozzle where its at, i dont have to worry about the maf anymore. it hits so hard now its rediculous. it really wanted that fuel!!! a/f is at 11.8 when it kicks in, and drops to 11.2 by the time it shuts off.
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Originally Posted by KBOBOZ71
it was a 175 flywheel shot.
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yep, 150 to the wheels.
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