help with nitrous and th400
To the OP:
I have the same problem with my TH350 on spray. Unlocked convertors will not show typical #'s on the dyno. On the track is where you will be able to gauge the performance. Typical gains from a 150 shot is about 1 second. My car only dyno'd 313 on motor, but runs pretty good on a 150 shot. Just use the dyno as a tool for dialing in te tune and don't be so concerned with the #'s.
I have the same problem with my TH350 on spray. Unlocked convertors will not show typical #'s on the dyno. On the track is where you will be able to gauge the performance. Typical gains from a 150 shot is about 1 second. My car only dyno'd 313 on motor, but runs pretty good on a 150 shot. Just use the dyno as a tool for dialing in te tune and don't be so concerned with the #'s.
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From: glen burnie, md
You told me about where you wanted "it", what exactly did you say? Did you give me some ballpark cam spec that I found the nearest XER lobe to? Come on, we know cams dont work off of "I gave you a general idea" i used the same int lobe on the same centerline as I have with another car so we woudl have a a-b comparison in rpm ranges of manifolds, and exh lobe where thought best to keep torque where needed. Ive never said Vic Jr would be bad for you, Ive always try to stay away from LSx style intakes on nitrous cars from day one. I did tell Brent for the setup he had NA Id stick with the FAST being his car was near 3800 lbs, dont get things twisted.
Your car had already been done the track on a rope and the tuneup was close (but it could have done with less timing) I knew this. Yours need to slowly bring the nitrous in earlier since every car was blowing tires away and watch the plugs F the knock sensor on HPTuners! Shed never been down track with a dry hit thats only been on a couple times on the dyno, and never left on gas with a car that went 1.32s on the motor. Kinda wanted to make sure it didnt flip over or pop it not checking its right first couple passes with a dry shot. Sorry!
I guess you melt "plugs" being rich Steve. You can lift ring lands way rich, but your not melting a plug with a strap like an AR92 because something is a little rich. Sure wasnt more than a little rich if it went 150 mph at 3600 lbs on pump gas. The quench was tight for the pump gas setup. Never was meant for you to throw another 200 hit on top of it later. The only thing you TOLD me to do, was leave the timing in it we had on the dyno because "Im always to conservative" It rattled at memphis - I said its hurtin - and it ate some plugs. I also said park it now before it did something catastrophic, or send it out the hard way. You said no way and if it was youd rather send it all the way out at least trying, I agreed with you its as good a place as any to hurt it. Pulled some timing out of it and it made it far enough and went quicker.
I never said dont get a 60. I said Id run 3.73s not 3.55s (dont get it twisted), so you dont have to leave off a hella hit to make it 60 ft. Cylinder pressure hurts stuff. At LSx race your car made 1 or 2 mid-low9 second passes and 3 days of blowing the tires away leaving full tilt and jetting it up along the way and then it got hurt. I made some suggestions wary of where it was going and YOU told ME "You had it under control" Im not going to argue with you about it. You told me point of Waynes DP so you have control over it, made it clear that what you wanted. The DP stage we saw 12.5:1 A/F and his motor end up hurt too. I dont think your putting anything on my shoulders because that aint rich nor because of a headgasket choice for a PG motor on a motor with 550 pills - it only need 250 to go 8s. You tell yourself so much you start to believe it. Ive always been willing to help, helped you get yours straight, then helped ATV get his straight, but when I help my girlfriend get hers straight its a big ******* deal. I helped all of you racing, you all burned up hundred hours on my dyno, no one else. My car sits apart, no one elses. None of you ever had one thing to say to me the timeframe your griping about now except for a smart *** comment maybe every now and then bout me being allowed out, but now Im such a mean MFer now that did sooo much to ya. Dont get it twisted, but whatever you want to say - grown ups move on let it go. Or at least have backbone to talk to the person before its such an issue instead of cluttering up someones post with nonrelated BS.
Wayne bringing up some completely unrelated **** is poor attempt to make someone look bad. Your just making yourself look bad reaching for stuff. When you have employees and do business for any length of time, **** can happen. Some people take care of it like myself, others pawn things off on customers etc etc. I can tell you this, no one has ever gotten a car back from me and was disappointed in how it ran. Hell when one of my employees dropped ball checking something, cust came in and said he knows there no warranty on performance parts - motor was out and all taken care of on my dime, put back together and made 35 MORE hp. Next time you think your airing out dirty laundry, check to see if its clean clothes
This is no better nonsense than yall in the other post. Reply with pertinant content and stop being eFag stalkers. You all have an obvious need to validate yourselves with the herding mentality. Ive never really needed to lean on 3 or 4 people to say what on my mind, but I guess theres comfort in numbers. Im done with all the BS from here on out, because it just doesnt mean nothing.
Hvyhitter, contrary to what these guys might want to say now, I know how they work. A year or two ago I was explaining to them why Id do stuff to spread cyl pressures out, now the same guy who said "why the hell are we going to run a cam on 115-116 LSA" told me to do just that! I know what a 350 hit does, Shiz didnt have head issues on pump gas, and never did when he had 500+ hit on it either.
To the original poster, Ive had no problem with 346 or 400+ inch TH400 cars to make 150 rwhp abouts on 150 shot. Cant say what exactly is up with yours, but I can tell you whats has been done and proven.
Your car had already been done the track on a rope and the tuneup was close (but it could have done with less timing) I knew this. Yours need to slowly bring the nitrous in earlier since every car was blowing tires away and watch the plugs F the knock sensor on HPTuners! Shed never been down track with a dry hit thats only been on a couple times on the dyno, and never left on gas with a car that went 1.32s on the motor. Kinda wanted to make sure it didnt flip over or pop it not checking its right first couple passes with a dry shot. Sorry!
I guess you melt "plugs" being rich Steve. You can lift ring lands way rich, but your not melting a plug with a strap like an AR92 because something is a little rich. Sure wasnt more than a little rich if it went 150 mph at 3600 lbs on pump gas. The quench was tight for the pump gas setup. Never was meant for you to throw another 200 hit on top of it later. The only thing you TOLD me to do, was leave the timing in it we had on the dyno because "Im always to conservative" It rattled at memphis - I said its hurtin - and it ate some plugs. I also said park it now before it did something catastrophic, or send it out the hard way. You said no way and if it was youd rather send it all the way out at least trying, I agreed with you its as good a place as any to hurt it. Pulled some timing out of it and it made it far enough and went quicker.
I never said dont get a 60. I said Id run 3.73s not 3.55s (dont get it twisted), so you dont have to leave off a hella hit to make it 60 ft. Cylinder pressure hurts stuff. At LSx race your car made 1 or 2 mid-low9 second passes and 3 days of blowing the tires away leaving full tilt and jetting it up along the way and then it got hurt. I made some suggestions wary of where it was going and YOU told ME "You had it under control" Im not going to argue with you about it. You told me point of Waynes DP so you have control over it, made it clear that what you wanted. The DP stage we saw 12.5:1 A/F and his motor end up hurt too. I dont think your putting anything on my shoulders because that aint rich nor because of a headgasket choice for a PG motor on a motor with 550 pills - it only need 250 to go 8s. You tell yourself so much you start to believe it. Ive always been willing to help, helped you get yours straight, then helped ATV get his straight, but when I help my girlfriend get hers straight its a big ******* deal. I helped all of you racing, you all burned up hundred hours on my dyno, no one else. My car sits apart, no one elses. None of you ever had one thing to say to me the timeframe your griping about now except for a smart *** comment maybe every now and then bout me being allowed out, but now Im such a mean MFer now that did sooo much to ya. Dont get it twisted, but whatever you want to say - grown ups move on let it go. Or at least have backbone to talk to the person before its such an issue instead of cluttering up someones post with nonrelated BS.
Wayne bringing up some completely unrelated **** is poor attempt to make someone look bad. Your just making yourself look bad reaching for stuff. When you have employees and do business for any length of time, **** can happen. Some people take care of it like myself, others pawn things off on customers etc etc. I can tell you this, no one has ever gotten a car back from me and was disappointed in how it ran. Hell when one of my employees dropped ball checking something, cust came in and said he knows there no warranty on performance parts - motor was out and all taken care of on my dime, put back together and made 35 MORE hp. Next time you think your airing out dirty laundry, check to see if its clean clothes
This is no better nonsense than yall in the other post. Reply with pertinant content and stop being eFag stalkers. You all have an obvious need to validate yourselves with the herding mentality. Ive never really needed to lean on 3 or 4 people to say what on my mind, but I guess theres comfort in numbers. Im done with all the BS from here on out, because it just doesnt mean nothing.Hvyhitter, contrary to what these guys might want to say now, I know how they work. A year or two ago I was explaining to them why Id do stuff to spread cyl pressures out, now the same guy who said "why the hell are we going to run a cam on 115-116 LSA" told me to do just that! I know what a 350 hit does, Shiz didnt have head issues on pump gas, and never did when he had 500+ hit on it either.
To the original poster, Ive had no problem with 346 or 400+ inch TH400 cars to make 150 rwhp abouts on 150 shot. Cant say what exactly is up with yours, but I can tell you whats has been done and proven.
Couple people already have told us that they are done with you because they pay you alot ofmoney for tuning then they try to get a hold of you(Phone,Drive to the shop,emails) and no returns. Hell one guy paid you over $300.00 in tuning and then had to go out and by his own software and figure out himself cause your never around. Great business skills.
ANother example: These three pairs of clownshoes spent years shitting up every thread about a local shop they all had bad dealings with (as in paid to put motors in they did themselves, paid for tunes for cars that I eventually had to learn how to do and did myself, had to pay out of pocket for motors after installs gone wrong - little different than me not "going with") Whats funny now is, they are taking those guys out to dinner, hanging out with them and are "boys" all the sudden. Flip flop much or just need new friends, or just need?
And somehow in other posts when it suits ya I didnt contribute at all for stuff a year or two years prior. Sounds funny take credit for what you want and try and make it sound like I left ya hanging for what you dont want. Dont have any desire to help any ungrateful people. And dont give me how weve all done **** for each other, we have, and a real man would be able to say thanks and thanks back and let it be done with. I can say thanks for your help and be done... can you?
YEars ago you helped me. thanks for that. last year I helped you 1 million times your girlfirend 1 million times and all it got me was headaches and busted motors. Thanks for that too!!!!!!
Couple people already have told us that they are done with you because they pay you alot ofmoney for tuning then they try to get a hold of you(Phone,Drive to the shop,emails) and no returns. Hell one guy paid you over $300.00 in tuning and then had to go out and by his own software and figure out himself cause your never around. Great business skills.
jeff lets get some **** striaght, you a skinny little punk who has never done anyting on your own uncluding own a business or have a steady job. if I were you I wouldnt come to the track this year cuz im gonna to **** on you, you ramble on at the mouth and act like your somebody, you aint **** and by the volume of my pm's of tuning you will never be ****, its funny how rel3rd shitted on you and you had no comeback, maybe you should quit while your not ahead cuz the next comment I get about clownshoes will be me visiting your shithole of a shop.
Jmill take this fools reply as food for thought, listen to to someone that has actually built a fast n20 car not claimed other peoples car
Jmill take this fools reply as food for thought, listen to to someone that has actually built a fast n20 car not claimed other peoples car
Last edited by choppin-suey; Apr 7, 2008 at 04:39 PM.
I am not a sponsor, but I have 32 years of experienced trans rebuilding. First, I agree the tune should be looked at. 2 degrees is not enough. The rule of thumb is 2 degrees for every 50HP. If you recently watched Horse Power TV, They showed 1 degree made over 90HP and 67 lbs of torque. This would get you more than 80HP. I don't understand when people say "blow thru" the converter. The more power that is created, the more torque is produced from the "torque multplier", or converter. Today there are more efficient converter designs in the stators, turbines, and pump covers, fin angles and windows to flash as well as multiply torque. But, you don't blow through the converter. I've seen sprags slip, clutches slip, converters balloon and loose their efficiency, but never blow through. The 400 uses approximately 42HP. Your overlap is not far off either. I believe the tune will be the partial problem. I use NX wet 300HP kit on a 2002SS. Their ratings are at the rear wheels. I use 150HP as I had a stock bottom end. My cam is a hydraulic roller Comp 232-234@ .050" .595-598" 112LC. This is not a nitrous cam. With the 150HP setting, I made 164HP at the rear wheels. I have a 4000 stall and a 4.10 Dana 60. What type of tires did you dyno with. Drag radials and slicks don't work good on the rollers. Use the correct size street tires. This could effect the final results. If the 400 was so bad, explain the last 43 years of drag racing. Common sense dictates there is no problem here. Go back and get all of the info you can when you tune the car again. The tuner, if well experienced, should help you in this area. Then write us again and tell us the results. Good luck.
Last edited by 382ssz28; Apr 8, 2008 at 01:12 PM.
typically it shouldnt sound like a car has shotgun shells in its exhaust. especially when the customer pays you well over $10k for the motor/trans/converter to be installed and tuned right, turns out the wrong flexplate is on the car too. the problems should have been found/fixed before i had to come up there and trailor it home. instead he could have driven the car home. just as well the car shouldnt have had to have been there for almost a year for something as simple as a motor/trans install and tune. diagnosing the "shotgun in exhaust" problem was a weekend for the owner to find. ill let him post his issues with you as far as your comment above.
dont get me wrong jeff, you let me use your shop til 4am when i needed it and i appreciated it a lot after my flexplate bolts backed out and reamed the holes.
(BIG thanks to shiz for getting under the car while it was still on the dyno to find the source of the rattling noise)
i just dont agree with a car leaving the shop not running properly.
Originally posted by GrannySShifting:
You told me about where you wanted "it", what exactly did you say? Did you give me some ballpark cam spec that I found the nearest XER lobe to? Come on, we know cams dont work off of "I gave you a general idea" i used the same int lobe on the same centerline as I have with another car so we woudl have a a-b comparison in rpm ranges of manifolds, and exh lobe where thought best to keep torque where needed. Ive never said Vic Jr would be bad for you, Ive always try to stay away from LSx style intakes on nitrous cars from day one. I did tell Brent for the setup he had NA Id stick with the FAST being his car was near 3800 lbs, dont get things twisted.
Your car had already been done the track on a rope and the tuneup was close (but it could have done with less timing) I knew this. Yours need to slowly bring the nitrous in earlier since every car was blowing tires away and watch the plugs F the knock sensor on HPTuners! Shed never been down track with a dry hit thats only been on a couple times on the dyno, and never left on gas with a car that went 1.32s on the motor. Kinda wanted to make sure it didnt flip over or pop it not checking its right first couple passes with a dry shot. Sorry!
I guess you melt "plugs" being rich Steve. You can lift ring lands way rich, but your not melting a plug with a strap like an AR92 because something is a little rich. Sure wasnt more than a little rich if it went 150 mph at 3600 lbs on pump gas. The quench was tight for the pump gas setup. Never was meant for you to throw another 200 hit on top of it later. The only thing you TOLD me to do, was leave the timing in it we had on the dyno because "Im always to conservative" It rattled at memphis - I said its hurtin - and it ate some plugs. I also said park it now before it did something catastrophic, or send it out the hard way. You said no way and if it was youd rather send it all the way out at least trying, I agreed with you its as good a place as any to hurt it. Pulled some timing out of it and it made it far enough and went quicker.
I never said dont get a 60. I said Id run 3.73s not 3.55s (dont get it twisted), so you dont have to leave off a hella hit to make it 60 ft. Cylinder pressure hurts stuff. At LSx race your car made 1 or 2 mid-low9 second passes and 3 days of blowing the tires away leaving full tilt and jetting it up along the way and then it got hurt. I made some suggestions wary of where it was going and YOU told ME "You had it under control" Im not going to argue with you about it. You told me point of Waynes DP so you have control over it, made it clear that what you wanted. The DP stage we saw 12.5:1 A/F and his motor end up hurt too. I dont think your putting anything on my shoulders because that aint rich nor because of a headgasket choice for a PG motor on a motor with 550 pills - it only need 250 to go 8s. You tell yourself so much you start to believe it. Ive always been willing to help, helped you get yours straight, then helped ATV get his straight, but when I help my girlfriend get hers straight its a big ******* deal. I helped all of you racing, you all burned up hundred hours on my dyno, no one else. My car sits apart, no one elses. None of you ever had one thing to say to me the timeframe your griping about now except for a smart *** comment maybe every now and then bout me being allowed out, but now Im such a mean MFer now that did sooo much to ya. Dont get it twisted, but whatever you want to say - grown ups move on let it go. Or at least have backbone to talk to the person before its such an issue instead of cluttering up someones post with nonrelated BS.
Wayne bringing up some completely unrelated **** is poor attempt to make someone look bad. Your just making yourself look bad reaching for stuff. When you have employees and do business for any length of time, **** can happen. Some people take care of it like myself, others pawn things off on customers etc etc. I can tell you this, no one has ever gotten a car back from me and was disappointed in how it ran. Hell when one of my employees dropped ball checking something, cust came in and said he knows there no warranty on performance parts - motor was out and all taken care of on my dime, put back together and made 35 MORE hp. Next time you think your airing out dirty laundry, check to see if its clean clothes This is no better nonsense than yall in the other post. Reply with pertinant content and stop being eFag stalkers. You all have an obvious need to validate yourselves with the herding mentality. Ive never really needed to lean on 3 or 4 people to say what on my mind, but I guess theres comfort in numbers. Im done with all the BS from here on out, because it just doesnt mean nothing.
Hvyhitter, contrary to what these guys might want to say now, I know how they work. A year or two ago I was explaining to them why Id do stuff to spread cyl pressures out, now the same guy who said "why the hell are we going to run a cam on 115-116 LSA" told me to do just that! I know what a 350 hit does, Shiz didnt have head issues on pump gas, and never did when he had 500+ hit on it either.
To the original poster, Ive had no problem with 346 or 400+ inch TH400 cars to make 150 rwhp abouts on 150 shot. Cant say what exactly is up with yours, but I can tell you whats has been done and proven.
You told me about where you wanted "it", what exactly did you say? Did you give me some ballpark cam spec that I found the nearest XER lobe to? Come on, we know cams dont work off of "I gave you a general idea" i used the same int lobe on the same centerline as I have with another car so we woudl have a a-b comparison in rpm ranges of manifolds, and exh lobe where thought best to keep torque where needed. Ive never said Vic Jr would be bad for you, Ive always try to stay away from LSx style intakes on nitrous cars from day one. I did tell Brent for the setup he had NA Id stick with the FAST being his car was near 3800 lbs, dont get things twisted.
Your car had already been done the track on a rope and the tuneup was close (but it could have done with less timing) I knew this. Yours need to slowly bring the nitrous in earlier since every car was blowing tires away and watch the plugs F the knock sensor on HPTuners! Shed never been down track with a dry hit thats only been on a couple times on the dyno, and never left on gas with a car that went 1.32s on the motor. Kinda wanted to make sure it didnt flip over or pop it not checking its right first couple passes with a dry shot. Sorry!
I guess you melt "plugs" being rich Steve. You can lift ring lands way rich, but your not melting a plug with a strap like an AR92 because something is a little rich. Sure wasnt more than a little rich if it went 150 mph at 3600 lbs on pump gas. The quench was tight for the pump gas setup. Never was meant for you to throw another 200 hit on top of it later. The only thing you TOLD me to do, was leave the timing in it we had on the dyno because "Im always to conservative" It rattled at memphis - I said its hurtin - and it ate some plugs. I also said park it now before it did something catastrophic, or send it out the hard way. You said no way and if it was youd rather send it all the way out at least trying, I agreed with you its as good a place as any to hurt it. Pulled some timing out of it and it made it far enough and went quicker.
I never said dont get a 60. I said Id run 3.73s not 3.55s (dont get it twisted), so you dont have to leave off a hella hit to make it 60 ft. Cylinder pressure hurts stuff. At LSx race your car made 1 or 2 mid-low9 second passes and 3 days of blowing the tires away leaving full tilt and jetting it up along the way and then it got hurt. I made some suggestions wary of where it was going and YOU told ME "You had it under control" Im not going to argue with you about it. You told me point of Waynes DP so you have control over it, made it clear that what you wanted. The DP stage we saw 12.5:1 A/F and his motor end up hurt too. I dont think your putting anything on my shoulders because that aint rich nor because of a headgasket choice for a PG motor on a motor with 550 pills - it only need 250 to go 8s. You tell yourself so much you start to believe it. Ive always been willing to help, helped you get yours straight, then helped ATV get his straight, but when I help my girlfriend get hers straight its a big ******* deal. I helped all of you racing, you all burned up hundred hours on my dyno, no one else. My car sits apart, no one elses. None of you ever had one thing to say to me the timeframe your griping about now except for a smart *** comment maybe every now and then bout me being allowed out, but now Im such a mean MFer now that did sooo much to ya. Dont get it twisted, but whatever you want to say - grown ups move on let it go. Or at least have backbone to talk to the person before its such an issue instead of cluttering up someones post with nonrelated BS.
Wayne bringing up some completely unrelated **** is poor attempt to make someone look bad. Your just making yourself look bad reaching for stuff. When you have employees and do business for any length of time, **** can happen. Some people take care of it like myself, others pawn things off on customers etc etc. I can tell you this, no one has ever gotten a car back from me and was disappointed in how it ran. Hell when one of my employees dropped ball checking something, cust came in and said he knows there no warranty on performance parts - motor was out and all taken care of on my dime, put back together and made 35 MORE hp. Next time you think your airing out dirty laundry, check to see if its clean clothes This is no better nonsense than yall in the other post. Reply with pertinant content and stop being eFag stalkers. You all have an obvious need to validate yourselves with the herding mentality. Ive never really needed to lean on 3 or 4 people to say what on my mind, but I guess theres comfort in numbers. Im done with all the BS from here on out, because it just doesnt mean nothing.
Hvyhitter, contrary to what these guys might want to say now, I know how they work. A year or two ago I was explaining to them why Id do stuff to spread cyl pressures out, now the same guy who said "why the hell are we going to run a cam on 115-116 LSA" told me to do just that! I know what a 350 hit does, Shiz didnt have head issues on pump gas, and never did when he had 500+ hit on it either.
To the original poster, Ive had no problem with 346 or 400+ inch TH400 cars to make 150 rwhp abouts on 150 shot. Cant say what exactly is up with yours, but I can tell you whats has been done and proven.
externally balanced flexplate on an internally balanced motor
the electric water pump switched 12V wire was just jammed into the underhood fuseblock where there was a fuse for the A-C/Cruise Control when the car went up there which was not activating the water pump
transmission cooler lines leaking like a ****
oil pan gasket leaking like a ****
cruise control not reconnected (was connected and functioning when the car was dropped off)
header bolts not properly torqued down (to the point that there was such a bad header leak that i thought that the rockers needed to be adjusted at first)
new transmission to replace the one that they blew up on the dyno (which I had to pay for even though that there was no problem with my transmission when I dropped the car off) was 2 quarts low on fluid
collector's are leaking so badly that I might as well be running open headers (at least on the passenger side)
All in all, I drove them a perfectly running car and had to tow home a bucket/basket case 1 year and $10K later. There is plenty more I could list as well as some stuff I am sure that I have not found yet, but I actually do have to get back to work. Note to all Mods, please note the tone of this post. There is no unwarranted bashing or opinionated bullsh*t and everything was stated in a factual manner. I leave it up to people to form their own opinion based on the information I have provided and can gladly answer any questions people may have in PM's.
P.S.- Please also note a couple of additional things. First, that the car was not a bucket when in went in. Everything worked the was it was supposed to (other than the A/C which I removed) and the car had never been wrecked. Second, every time that I did hear from Jeff requesting payment for a particualr part, he was payed very promptly (usually within 24 hours as I would overnight him a check) and in full with the exception on the new transmission, which was payed for within a week of him requesting payment.
By the way Jeff, I have to say that I am dissappointed in how my car ran when I TOWED it home from your shop.
What is there to say? I took him a running car for a motor swap in November of 2006 and 1 year later I had to go pick up my car with a trailer because it would not run on all 8 cylinders and he "checked everything" and couldn't figure out why it wasn't running right and offered for me to come up to his shop and diagnose the problem myself. I took it over to my friend's house and we swapped the plugs and wires to diagnose the terrible miss and in the process discovered that the plug wires were routed in a way that the belt sliced 2 of them. Since the car came back, we have been going everything with a fine tooth comb and have found countless things wrong with the car, including but not limited to:
externally balanced flexplate on an internally balanced motor
the electric water pump switched 12V wire was just jammed into the underhood fuseblock where there was a fuse for the A-C/Cruise Control when the car went up there which was not activating the water pump
transmission cooler lines leaking like a ****
oil pan gasket leaking like a ****
cruise control not reconnected (was connected and functioning when the car was dropped off)
header bolts not properly torqued down (to the point that there was such a bad header leak that i thought that the rockers needed to be adjusted at first)
new transmission to replace the one that they blew up on the dyno (which I had to pay for even though that there was no problem with my transmission when I dropped the car off) was 2 quarts low on fluid
collector's are leaking so badly that I might as well be running open headers (at least on the passenger side)
All in all, I drove them a perfectly running car and had to tow home a bucket/basket case 1 year and $10K later. There is plenty more I could list as well as some stuff I am sure that I have not found yet, but I actually do have to get back to work. Note to all Mods, please note the tone of this post. There is no unwarranted bashing or opinionated bullsh*t and everything was stated in a factual manner. I leave it up to people to form their own opinion based on the information I have provided and can gladly answer any questions people may have in PM's.
P.S.- Please also note a couple of additional things. First, that the car was not a bucket when in went in. Everything worked the was it was supposed to (other than the A/C which I removed) and the car had never been wrecked. Second, every time that I did hear from Jeff requesting payment for a particualr part, he was payed very promptly (usually within 24 hours as I would overnight him a check) and in full with the exception on the new transmission, which was payed for within a week of him requesting payment.
By the way Jeff, I have to say that I am dissappointed in how my car ran when I TOWED it home from your shop.
externally balanced flexplate on an internally balanced motor
the electric water pump switched 12V wire was just jammed into the underhood fuseblock where there was a fuse for the A-C/Cruise Control when the car went up there which was not activating the water pump
transmission cooler lines leaking like a ****
oil pan gasket leaking like a ****
cruise control not reconnected (was connected and functioning when the car was dropped off)
header bolts not properly torqued down (to the point that there was such a bad header leak that i thought that the rockers needed to be adjusted at first)
new transmission to replace the one that they blew up on the dyno (which I had to pay for even though that there was no problem with my transmission when I dropped the car off) was 2 quarts low on fluid
collector's are leaking so badly that I might as well be running open headers (at least on the passenger side)
All in all, I drove them a perfectly running car and had to tow home a bucket/basket case 1 year and $10K later. There is plenty more I could list as well as some stuff I am sure that I have not found yet, but I actually do have to get back to work. Note to all Mods, please note the tone of this post. There is no unwarranted bashing or opinionated bullsh*t and everything was stated in a factual manner. I leave it up to people to form their own opinion based on the information I have provided and can gladly answer any questions people may have in PM's.
P.S.- Please also note a couple of additional things. First, that the car was not a bucket when in went in. Everything worked the was it was supposed to (other than the A/C which I removed) and the car had never been wrecked. Second, every time that I did hear from Jeff requesting payment for a particualr part, he was payed very promptly (usually within 24 hours as I would overnight him a check) and in full with the exception on the new transmission, which was payed for within a week of him requesting payment.
By the way Jeff, I have to say that I am dissappointed in how my car ran when I TOWED it home from your shop.
yea it is, bought a motor from someone who used to work for Jeff. paid them to install. when in reality if he (ie: fastenough) had the time he could have done it himself with more than likey MUCH less problems other than tuning. since he is very LT1 savvy like yourself. BTW how ya been?
yea it is, bought a motor from someone who used to work for Jeff. paid them to install. when in reality if he (ie: fastenough) had the time he could have done it himself with more than likey MUCH less problems other than tuning. since he is very LT1 savvy like yourself. BTW how ya been?
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I know of a Customer (< not happy) that had the wheels fall off going down the road after he had to pick his car up and "get it out of the shop". This car was in the shop for over a year. Then, it was towed back, and still never fully fixed. The owner got soooo Frustrated he sold the car for 7,000. Mind you this car had a brand new engine. The wheel wells were removed, the wiring was shotty. Ground wires were left loose.. etc. I am sure you guys know the car. My poor buddy has been DICKED OVER SO MANY TIMES IT IS UNREAL. I FEEL BAD FOR HIM. THE CAR RAN 10'S FIVE YEARS AGO....HAS NOT SEEN THE TRACK SINCE, DUE TO SHOPS NOT DELIVERING. I FEEL BAD BECAUSE I TOLD HIM TO GIVE JEFF A SHOT. HELL, I EVEN OFFERD TO SHACK THE CAR UP AT MY DADS GARAGE AND WE(CUSTOMER AND I) WOULD WORK THE BUGS OUT. DISGUSTING!
